Author Topic: How to spend 6 hours on 1/2mile of gradeII novice cave: CCCC and Jug Holes  (Read 3445 times)

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Location Derbyshire, Weekend 6-8th June
Attending: Jane, Rob, Helen, Gordon and me.

The purpose of the trip was to access 3 nominally easy caves, to confirm their suitablility for novice trips next time we had some new club members. The idea was to visit the cave/mine Jug Holes, walkover to Brightfleet, and then en route back to the TSG stick our heads in Ashford Black Marble Mine.

Problem 0: Finding Jug holes. The B road is now closed and barriered, a friendly local directed us to the new road that has been built (and consequently isn't on any of our maps) that loops around the back so that we can make the turning up to Jug Holes wood. (Turn right at Sainsburys, then left and you'll arrive at the blockade on the same side as the turning you want to make).

Kitted up and off we go, time of departure 12:00.

Problem 1 finding Jug holes. "Obvious large cave in woods". The first obvious large depression you come to does not have any caves in it. It has a few short scrotty holes.  Turning left out of this you suddenly see when the guide siad cave it meant cave, with ceiling, not just a large depression - in fact it's a large arch. The slippery descent leads to a tricky 5' climb down. It's best to walk around the cave and approach from the other side down the easy slope. various small cracks between the boulders are quite tight and don't get you down to the easy entrance. Believe me it's much better to walk round.

Problem 2 finding Jug holes: the mine levels. The enterance furthest from the daylight, is mine workings. We spent a while exporing these going round in circles at different levels even though they are quite short. There is a nicely preserved wooden archway.

It's now gone 13:00 and we finally start entering Jug Holes Upper series. The initial descent down a tube well stacked with deads is not tricky, but any novices will require a rope. A couple of boulders later and we arrived in a small chamber.

Delay 3 : Routefinding. We didn't know that the quick route through Jugholes is to the left and over some boulders. The small hole on the right drops through a slight squeeze which helen wisely declined, twists and turns and eventually steps up through some boulders into the main cavern. There are other ways "on" none of which eventually went anywhere although it was nice to find much water roughened rock in an otherwise mined area. It wasn't quite so nice to lie on being quite rough.

Delay 4. Gardening. IF you're going to deface a cave by spraypainting  :spank: yellow arrows in the tricky bits, when you've finished doing so and runout of paint take your damm spray can home with you!  :spank: This also includes people who are going to routefind with glowsticks. When you are returning pick them up afterwards. Thanks to Gordon for carrying this out.

Delay 5: Send fox thrutching. The impressive main chamber was finally gained. Rattle down to the end. Climb up the tube. Surprised that no-body else in the group felt like pushing it, I went on from the top of the tube under the flowstone. This was easy and it was fun to see flowstone overhead. The crawl quickly opens to a trench and then a climb down to a liquid mud pit which presumably drains back into the streamway There was a flow of water foming off a stal, but no indications that it was washing the mud away. Anyone fancy a dig?

Delay 6: Find the way back out! A quick detour to "Sugar icing grotto" - "They call this a grotto?!" and we met Helen who'd found the correct way on without the squeeze.  While we were poking our heads inot holes (the main stream disappears into pebbles very quickly it's not worth lying in it to find this out) Helen had a look at the end of the cave, but when we re-grouped we weren't quite sure which pile of boulders to climb past! Time for a breather. The climb back up the pitch isn't difficult but again a rope will be required for anyone who isn't comfortable turning around in midspace.

Back into 'daylight' under the arch and just the Lower Series to go, the through trip to the Adit shouldn't be more than 20mins. How long can we take to do this? Answer another couple of hours!

The initial descent again would require a handline for novices, although I'm not sure if there's a suitable belay, but a couple fo easy slithers soon see you to the first big chamber.

Delay 7: routefinding again. The survey shows that the second chamber is connected to the first though a short link. Walking accidently past this without noticing it (it's behind you) we descended down an unsurvey short mining link. That leads to other mining leads, junctions, small chambers, climbs up, and slippery descents down. - "will we get back up that" " don't need to we're going out the Adit" Confidence is a wonderful thing. As is the ability to look at a survey and force the cave to fit... "Maybe those last few chambers really were one big chamber as marked here but with lots of boulders stopping us realising"  :shrug:

Eventually we reached the end of the mine workings. No Adit. There was a deep hole with an impressive brace across it some depth below. The return was uneventuful, the slippery climbs not being too tricky to reverse. Back in the sunlight we wonder if the Adit might be down the hill, maybe we can reverse the cave?

Delay 8: finding the Adit. It is quite obvious, a walk down the hill past the remains of an engine? house. the corregated steel tube is painful to slide down! Large obvious walking passages connect the chambers together as shown exactly on the survey. When you reach the first large chamber the connection is not so obvious. It was now 17:30 and with a callout scheduled for 6 Gordon went ot let Helen know we were safe and "only a few minutes" away. We hunted for the ellusive connection, before resorting to the survey and searching left rather than right. My slightly uncontrolled slither  :o landed on the ledge I was intending to follow, slip through the crack and what looked like a continuation of the old chamber, was in fact the chamber we were searching for! The exit was only a climb away. If you don't explote the mine workings this through trip really woun't take longer than 20-30 mins, but there is quite a bit of somewhat more arduous mine to explore if you've the desire.

We made it back to the car, carrying about 3kg of mud, for 18:10 and I'll spare Helen's  :-[ by only reporting that the AA was uneeded and our callout was unconcerned that we had spent 6 hours in half a mile of Grade II cave.
We didn't even look for Brightfleet, and found Ashford Black Marble mine looked interesting but was gated.




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We were at Jug Holes on Sunday, we got caught by the road closure too but went all the way round past Bonsall!

One of our chaps went into the upper series and had a look round, we went in through the bottom adit and up, I got a bit lost despite having been there before and having a survey but fortunately the others soon put me right (although I think they were navigating by the smell of the wild garlic drifting down from the top)  :)


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Nigel A has a nice handout/survey that he made for Jug Holes.

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Always had fun trips in there, to only spend 30 mins racing thru is to do the place a diservice, there is so much to see and appreciate in both the upper and lower series, and did you explore up from the large chamber - quite a lot of intersting stuff there as well. The whole system has so much to offer with the mineralisation, mining, artefacts, and all the natural features. The lower mine workings off the usual route are quite loose in places with well rotted stemples and stacked deads, caution should be the watch word down there.
Apparently originally known as Noon Nick Mine or some such, virtually universally known as Jug Holes these days...

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Delay 4. Gardening. IF you're going to deface a cave by spraypainting  :spank: yellow arrows in the tricky bits, when you've finished doing so and runout of paint take your damm spray can home with you!  :spank: This also includes people who are going to routefind with glowsticks. When you are returning pick them up afterwards. Thanks to Gordon for carrying this out.

Excellent work! Of course you'll agree that it would be better NOT to spray paint at all...

We didn't even look for Brightfleet, and found Ashford Black Marble mine looked interesting but was gated.

Actually Brightgate Cave. Again easier to approach via the Bonsall Road since the building of Sainsburys and major road changes in Matlock Town centre. Follow up the Via Gellia from Cromford and turn right at the crossroads with the Holly Bush pub towards Winster/Bakewell. Just before you reach the Miners Standard pub (excellent to visit after your trip!) turn right on the road heading towards Bonsall. You'll travel through the hamlet of Brightgate after several miles and then will reach the turning for Jug Holes (Salters Lane) on the left not long afterwards with straight ahead leading to Bonsall.

If you're visiting Jug Holes, please park at the area where the road widens with a dirt track leading off (towards Masson Hill) - the obvious "layby" near Jug Holes wood is actually a passing place.

Since you're considering Jug Holes in terms of novices it is also worth noting that a short shaft drops into the Adit and is useful for a simple abseil (only around 20m of rope is needed by the time you've tied it to a backup and arranged the Y-hang).
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Apparently this publication is quite good if you are considering taking novices into Jug Holes.  :thumbsup:

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We were at Jug Holes on Sunday, we got caught by the road closure too but went all the way round past Bonsall!

One of our chaps went into the upper series and had a look round, we went in through the bottom adit and up, I got a bit lost despite having been there before and having a survey but fortunately the others soon put me right (although I think they were navigating by the smell of the wild garlic drifting down from the top)  :)


Thank you Alex for suggesting all the sites to visit over the weekend. That's the bit I least enjoy about running a weekend. That way any problems we have can be blamed on the person who organised the trips, so congratulations on not giving us any problems! I hope I didn't terrorise Summer too much  :tease: and thanks to Brains for Saturday's trip  :thumbsup: And staying on topic, Jug Holes was good fun and worth poking about in all the little corners.
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Cant believe the yellow arrows are back!  I went down with Dave Webb (DCA Conservation Officer) and some Masson bods a couple of months ago to clean off all the yellow arrows and looked like someone had already removed most of them, though we did also tackle some black arrows in the mine level.

I'll let Dave know the arrows are back and Im sure a mob with wire brushes can be sorted to make it pretty again. :halo:

Alas, cant solve the problem with the road diversion. Some 'genius' in highways to blame no doubt. :spank:

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Paul/Jim - absolutely shouldn't be spraypainting. Just in case this wasn't clear from the  :spank:

They were only in the squeeze through bit shortly after the initial pitch, not at all on the main route. Maybe the clean-up crew  :bow: didn't look there. There were 1 or 2 inconspicuous white arrows right at the bottom of the mine bits as well.

We were very careful around the dodgy looking remains of wood.

I did find the absail pitch - from the bottom. Under the arch same side as the upper level but closer to the way in there's an interesting tube to squirm up. When you meet the beetles you can look up at the gated sky. Is there a key for this? Did look on the surface so wasn't sure if does need one.

If we're thinking of the same place on the map Brightgate looked to be a 1k stroll along a path near JugHoles, which would save the getting changed, driving and re-changing palaver, but we were out of time and inclination to try it.
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I did find the absail pitch - from the bottom. Under the arch same side as the upper level but closer to the way in there's an interesting tube to squirm up. When you meet the beetles you can look up at the gated sky. Is there a key for this? Did look on the surface so wasn't sure if does need one.

The shaft which drops into the adit has a "Derbyshire Key" (i.e. a nut). Other shafts are either blocked or beehived.
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We were at Jug Holes on Sunday, we got caught by the road closure too but went all the way round past Bonsall!

One of our chaps went into the upper series and had a look round, we went in through the bottom adit and up, I got a bit lost despite having been there before and having a survey but fortunately the others soon put me right (although I think they were navigating by the smell of the wild garlic drifting down from the top)  :)

Think we saw you getting ready for that trip up in the layby when we went past. we carried on up to brightgate and did that plus a quick trip down a shaft into tearsall pool series. brightgate is good if u are slim and slippy, but one of our number had to turn back after getting stuck a couple of times.

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Since you're considering Jug Holes in terms of novices it is also worth noting that a short shaft drops into the Adit and is useful for a simple abseil (only around 20m of rope is needed by the time you've tied it to a backup and arranged the Y-hang).


Is this the cover to the right of the adit entrance (as you face uphill) I'm guessing it doesn't drop into the adit bit where the trucks are? I've didn't notice a shaft.
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As you stand in the cutting for the adit, looking uphill, it is in a direct line with this. It can be seen as a small chain link fence enclosure on I think metal stakes... It drops into the adit very near to the broken mine tub, just before the first chamber is entered.
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As you stand in the cutting for the adit, looking uphill, it is in a direct line with this. It can be seen as a small chain link fence enclosure on I think metal stakes... It drops into the adit very near to the broken mine tub, just before the first chamber is entered.
Hope that helps?
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you on about the very rusty one with no wheels?

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Thank you Alex for suggesting all the sites to visit over the weekend. That's the bit I least enjoy about running a weekend. That way any problems we have can be blamed on the person who organised the trips, so congratulations on not giving us any problems! I hope I didn't terrorise Summer too much  :tease: and thanks to Brains for Saturday's trip  :thumbsup: And staying on topic, Jug Holes was good fun and worth poking about in all the little corners.


Yes, many thanks for the Holme Bank tour and taking us to Mouldridge. Summer and I certainly had a fantastic weekend.  :thumbsup:


Think we saw you getting ready for that trip up in the layby when we went past. we carried on up to brightgate and did that plus a quick trip down a shaft into tearsall pool series. brightgate is good if u are slim and slippy, but one of our number had to turn back after getting stuck a couple of times.

I'm anything but small and slippy unfortunately, might still take a look at some point. Sounds like quite a few people were about in the area on Sunday, there was another party staying at Magpie who arrived at Jug Holes as we left.

As you stand in the cutting for the adit, looking uphill, it is in a direct line with this. It can be seen as a small chain link fence enclosure on I think metal stakes... It drops into the adit very near to the broken mine tub, just before the first chamber is entered.
Hope that helps?
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I never noticed that  :-[ I must look up next time. So what's under the metal cover right next to the adit cutting at the same level?
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RE: So what's under the metal cover right next to the adit cutting at the same level?

Its mentioned in the 'Jug Holes Interpritation pack' but from memory its a blind shaft of about 20 ft - amusingly there is a warning in the pack advising you not to stand on the lid as the supports/bolts are very rusty, we read this after standing right in the middle of the lid earlier in the day...

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I think we probably stood on it too.  ::)
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Route finding might be easier when the p-hangers get done :-\. You will be able to join the dots.
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