The following message received from the BMC yesterday will be of interest to some people here:

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I?m writing to let you know that, after more than 70 years trading as the British Mountaineering Council, we?ve decided to move with the times and change name.

Hill walking, climbing and mountaineering have evolved since the BMC was first established in 1944, and the name ?Mountaineering Council? doesn?t quite cut it these days.

We asked for help from Sport England to solve our dilemma. Could we keep our existing name, yet still reach out to the new generations discovering climbing and hill walking? Was there a new name that could clearly convey all our core beliefs? After a nine-month independent study, sports marketing specialists b-focused and design agency Thinkfarm found the answer.

?BMC members all climb stuff,? they reported back.  ?Climb is the one word that binds all BMC members together, whether it?s hills, mountains, rocks, ice or indoor walls.?

So, today, you?re one of the first to know that the BMC will soon become Climb Britain. Our new name will be phased in over the next year, with official launch events at the Kendal Mountain Festival and on 2 December ? our 72nd birthday. The BMC?s presence in Wales will become Climb Cymru.

The decision is just one part of an ongoing program of modernisation and comes at a time when our partner north of the border ? the Mountaineering Council of Scotland ? has indicated its intention to rebrand as Mountaineering Scotland.

The switch to Climb Britain will create exciting opportunities to extend our reach and influence in future years, and you can be assured that it will be business-as-usual for our core work including access, conservation, environment, safety, good practice, youth development, insurance and mountain heritage.

Under Climb Britain, our core values will remain unchanged: we will continue to promote the interests and protect the freedoms of climbers and walkers and do everything we can to look after the cliff and mountain environment. And, whilst Climb Britain is our new public identity, our formal legal name remains British Mountaineering Council.

Over the next few months, we will be working very closely with our affiliated clubs, associate members, Mountain Training, Mountaineering Scotland, Climb Cymru, the climbing walls and the GB Climbing Team to explain what the change means and investigate the many new opportunities that arise.

In the meantime, keep an eye on our website and social media as we take the first steps of this exciting journey.

All the best

Dave Turnbull
CEO

BMC (Climb Britain ??)

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So is the BCA going to follow suit and call itself  "Cave Britain" ?

(without spending money on consultants)

Dave

Dave Tyson said:

So is the BCA going to follow suit and call itself  "Cave Britain" ?

(without spending money on consultants)

Dave

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With Scotland making their name Caving Scotland.
and Wales becoming The Ogof Cymru. (or welsh words to that effect?)

'Penetrate Britain' would be a better simile.

After a nine-month independent study, sports marketing specialists b-focused and design agency Thinkfarm found the answer.

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It might take some time...

Well that was money well spent! And to think my local youth club came up with a trendy modern name all by themselves. Cheapskates.

Money-go-rounds

FFS

I wonder if they bothered to ask BMC members their view on the proposed change of name - sorry, "rebranding"?

I wonder if they bothered to ask BMC members their view on the proposed change of name - sorry, "rebranding"?

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If they did that they would have probably end up being called "Climby mc climb face".

more info from BMC FB page

We've had so many questions following our rebranding announcement yesterday. Here's a personal message from BMC CEO Dave Turnbull:

"Many thanks to everyone who has commented. Here are some personal perspectives and detail about the process to date:

Midway through last year, I was at a seminar in London when one of the speakers mentioned funding might be available to help sports organisations develop their commercial and sponsorship potential. The BMC has always struggled to attract sponsorship income on any kind of scale (we end up funding the bulk of our work ourselves), so I followed this up and eventually we were given the services of a reputable consultancy firm to help us work up ideas.

This work looked at things like our membership structure and benefits package, travel insurance and sponsorship options in great detail and has been extremely useful. At the start of the process we secured some addition money (around ?25k) for a branding agency to take a detailed look at how people perceive the BMC and how we might be able to improve our image to connect with new people and stay relevant in the modern age.

At the outset my expectation was that we?d probably end up with a recommendation to adopt a new BMC logo and some detailed brand guidelines about how to position ourselves. There was no specific brief to come up with new name for the BMC - it just evolved that way because the consultants came up with idea we felt had traction. For years we?ve pondered about the suitability of ?Mountaineering Council? in our name, but we?ve never been able to come up with an acceptable alternative.

BMC as an acronym is OK if you know the BMC, but for new people it?s not obvious who we are or what we do. ?British Climbing? has been bandied about over the years, but the word ?Climbing? is different to ?Climb? and would never be acceptable to our hill walking members. ?Climb? on the other hand does work in the context of ?climb hills, climb mountains, climb rocks etc?. Other random options over the years have included British Mountaineering, British Mountain Sports or British Mountaineering and Climbing. None of which are hugely better than British Mountaineering Council / BMC.

So, Climb Britain was thought up as a concept in March this year and we took it from there: initially sounding people out internally to see if they liked it and felt it worth taking forward. This involved discussion amongst the BMC?s directors (all unpaid elected volunteers) and past Presidents (including the likes of Dave Musgrove, Rab Carrington and Chris Bonington) and the MCofS (who were supportive). There were some reservations, of course, but the overwhelming reaction was that the time (and the name) was right, so on 18 May the directors unanimously agreed to take the new name forward to the BMC National Council meeting, which took place at Plas y Brenin on 18 June.

An explanation for those who aren?t aware: National Council comprises two elected representatives from each of the BMC?s ten ?Areas? (London, Peak, Lakes, Cymru / Wales North, Cymru / Wales South etc.), the directors, and all of our Specialist Committee chairs (Clubs Committee, Access Management Group, Huts Advisory Group, Training & Youth Committee, Technical Committee etc.) as observers. National Council is the BMC?s policy-making body and the role of the Area reps is to feed in the views of their Area Meetings and take issues from National Council back to Areas for consideration when they see fit. National Council is made up of committed volunteers who give up their time (at least four weekends per years) to participate in quarterly meetings and the AGM. It comprises grassroots enthusiasts and is typically very thoughtful and cautious in approach.

So, on 18 June I presented the Climb Britain concept to a well-attended gathering, fully expecting it to raise eyebrows and to be knocked back to the September meeting following a period of wider discussion. National Council was aware the branding project had been going on and as it turned out the response was incredibly enthusiastic and positive. The Area representatives (your representatives) liked the concept and the name Climb Britain. They felt the time was right, that the BMC had to move with the times and they voted 19 for, 1 abstention, 0 against in favour of adopting the new identity.

For me personally, Climb Britain wasn?t love at first sight, it?s been a ?grower? though. My initial impression (back in March) was it sounded a bit awkward and unusual, more like a campaign than a national body, a bit radical for the BMC. But I think the logo works well: it?s distinctive, builds on previous BMC logos and, when seen in conjunction with the ?climb hills, climb mountains, etc? strapline, presents a strong and clear message. Give it time, I say.

In response to some of the other points on this thread and elsewhere:

1. Why rebrand? To continue to represent the best interests of all climbers and walkers now ? and into the future ? the BMC had to modernise and change. Without evolving, our membership age profile would have increased and at some stage ? not now, but perhaps not far off ? we would have ceased to become relevant in the new landscape.

2. What did the consultancy work involve? Discussion with a sample of BMC volunteers, Area reps, climbing wall managers, young and older climbers, hill walkers and others. Meetings with members of the BMC Women?s Development Group, our Hill Walking Development Group and staff, and visits to climbing walls.

3. What exactly is ?Climb Britain?? It?s a new public identity, a new way of presenting what we do and what we stand for. Our formal name (Companies House, Memorandum & Articles of Association) will remain the British Mountaineering Council (BMC), and ?BMC? will still be used in aspects of our media and membership literature. The BMC?s core work for climbers, hill walkers and mountaineers will continue as usual under the Climb Britain banner; it will be business as usual.

4. Decision making / consultation. I?ve explained above how we arrived at Climb Britain. The BMC has an effective democratic structure and we used this in reaching the decision. Complex or commercially sensitive issues can be extremely difficult or impossible to agree via widespread membership consultation and there are times when we rely on our (your) elected Area reps to make judgement calls on big issues. That?s why they?re there, that why they give up their time to be involved.

5. Sport England and the Olympics. The consultancy work was paid for by Sport England so members? money was not used on the rebrand. There were no strings attached (if we didn?t like what the consultants came up with then we weren?t obliged to accept it) and without this kind of help we wouldn?t normally be able to afford this level of professional advice. Finally, regarding the Sports Councils, Sport England is not involved with the Olympics, UK Sport is. The BMC gets financial support from Sport England, not UK Sport. Sport England funds projects like ours to encourage organisations to increase their commercial (and external sponsorship) income and thus reduce their dependency on Government funding. This whole process started well before the 2020 Olympics became such a realistic prospect; it?s a complete coincidence that the two things have come about at the same time.

Generally the membership has been very negative about this.

Will they now cover caving if there is any climbing / prussicing to be done.

  cave uk ? 

So how much tax payers money has been spent to come up with a name that four blokes could have come up with in a pub over a few pints?

Smiley Alan said:

  cave uk ? 

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What if it's a mine?

Madness said:

So how much tax payers money has been spent to come up with a name that four blokes could have come up with in a pub over a few pints?

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You haven't read it, have you?

There is reasonable agreement that the BCA would benefit from some reform of the organisation and a better image although a name change is probably near the bottom of the list.  However, if it did change then Underground Britain ticks the sort of boxes described by the BMC.

Perhaps some of the regional councils could come up with a more descriptive and snappy name though...

Cave South
Cave North
Cave West
Cave Central.....

Badlad said:

There is reasonable agreement that the BCA would benefit from some reform of the organisation and a better image although a name change is probably near the bottom of the list.  However, if it did change then Underground Britain ticks the sort of boxes described by the BMC.

Perhaps some of the regional councils could come up with a more descriptive and snappy name though...

Cave South
Cave North
Cave West
Cave Central.....

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I'm assuming Wales is Cave Sheep? ;-)

Oceanrower said:

Madness said:

So how much tax payers money has been spent to come up with a name that four blokes could have come up with in a pub over a few pints?

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You haven't read it, have you?

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He probably has. The article stated that it wasn't paid for by the BMC.
IIRC, it was paid for by some sort of scheme to help with Branding, and therefore probably funded by Taxpayers.

Oceanrower said:

Madness said:

So how much tax payers money has been spent to come up with a name that four blokes could have come up with in a pub over a few pints?

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You haven't read it, have you?

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Yes, I have.

BMC got funds from Sport England ( who were the Sports Council). Sport England are funded by The Treasury, who are funded by the taxpayer.