Global warming

rhychydwr1

Active member
If global warning means I will not get snowed in this winter, then I am all for it.  My guess is that we will get some snow and I will be stuck in doors.
 

droid

Active member
One single event does not Global Warming make.

Several *statistically significant* events do though.....
 

royfellows

Well-known member
Just like a lot of people I have opinions on this subject but have absolutely no intention whatsoever of airing them on a web forum.

The same old arguments will be slung backwards and forwards like the ball in a tennis match with neither side conceding one iota to the other and the rest of the people who use the site taking one huge yawn and wondering off to read other threads.

I had an ongoing blog about this on my own website, now taken off.
Why?

Because the vast majority of people are simply fed up with hearing about it, the tide of public opinion is only going in one direction, and like the nice person that I am I dont kick an opponent when he's down.
It doesn't need any help from me so I am out.

I am not going to say anymore on the subject and that is it, however, a final word for Simon.

Just like the rest of us you have your politics and your beliefs and whatever.
If you just have to bring them into your postings in an attempt to push them onto others you can expect a response, which is possibly what you want.

Ostensibly this is a caving website, or so we are led to believe. The Croll issue is important and needs action now.
Other arguments belong on other websites.

Bye
 

JasonC

Well-known member
royfellows said:
Because the vast majority of people are simply fed up with hearing about it, the tide of public opinion is only going in one direction, and like the nice person that I am I dont kick an opponent when he's down.
It doesn't need any help from me so I am out.

Roy, you may be right that global warming is OT on a caving forum, but I'm puzzled that you think public opinion has any bearing on it.
Whether or not the globe is warming (and by the way, it is) is an objective fact.  People may be bored by the topic, but that doesn't stop it happening.  Unfortunately.
 

bograt

Active member
Back in the early '60's, when I was a student, the theory of ' Conservation of Energy' was a big thing, this postulated that all the primeval energy stored in fossil fuels by usage (i.e. burning) would be released and revert the Earth to the state is was before the coal measures where formed.

Nuclear worries me because of ignorance, we still are not aware of the repercussions--

All I am convinced of is that we managed a hell of a long time on horses, water, sun, and wind, the problem now is population and parasites, does anyone know a MP or insurance salesman who has an allotment to grow his own food?
 

RobinGriffiths

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There have been greenhouse and icehouse earths in the past. None anthropomorphic, nor terminal to life. The last greenhouse earth in the Cretaceoous had high CO2 levels, but did have a different continental configuration. Its all negative feedback though isn't it? Or has been. If negative feedback can cope with CO2 then we're ok.
 

Oceanrower

Active member
Roy,

This is a predominantly caving forum, yes.

But this is posted in 'Idle Chat'. So, not caving.

I don't know a single forum that doesn't have other topics discussed. If you only want to see caving posts then set your preferences differently. Personally I like to see what people think about a wide range of topics.
 

JasonC

Well-known member
RobinGriffiths said:
There have been greenhouse and icehouse earths in the past. None anthropomorphic, nor terminal to life. ...

No-one seriously argues that global warming will be terminal to life, probably not even to human life.  But there is a very real risk it could finish off what we currently think of as civilisation.
 

bograt

Active member
JasonC said:
RobinGriffiths said:
There have been greenhouse and icehouse earths in the past. None anthropomorphic, nor terminal to life. ...

No-one seriously argues that global warming will be terminal to life, probably not even to human life.  But there is a very real risk it could finish off what we currently think of as civilisation.

Maybe not a bad thing??????
 

Roger W

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bograt said:
JasonC said:
No-one seriously argues that global warming will be terminal to life, probably not even to human life.  But there is a very real risk it could finish off what we currently think of as civilisation.

Maybe not a bad thing??????

It'll be back to caving by tallow candle and rope ladders with wooden rungs, then..?
 

andrewmcleod

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Global warming will have the least effect on the rich, who will continue to exploit the poorer parts of the world and will simply build bigger and better flood defences, stronger houses to withstand extreme weather, and can afford to move to avoid the worst consequences. The poor, meanwhile, will simply find their crops failing, their land flooded and their homes destroyed without any chance of help.

Compare what happens when an earthquake hits San Francisco (with the money to require and enforce robust building standards) and poor areas of the world.
 

RobinGriffiths

Well-known member
A 6m rise will knacker London and the Fens. Dublin as well probably. Paris will be ok. I think most of the European capitals are fine actually. Except for Amsterdam of course, and maybe Lisbon.
 

Laurie

Active member
Roger W said:
It'll be back to caving by tallow candle and rope ladders with wooden rungs, then..?
Caving? - We'll be back to living in them.....
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Pitlamp

Well-known member
RobinGriffiths said:
A 6m rise will knacker London and the Fens. Dublin as well probably. Paris will be ok. I think most of the European capitals are fine actually. Except for Amsterdam of course, and maybe Lisbon.

What'll it do to that tidal sump in Otter Hole?

(This is a feeble effort to drag this topic round to something vaguely to do with caving!  (y))
 
Whilst I may not be the emeritus professor of atmospheric science from Cambridge University, I'm a science graduate (from back before everyone had degrees) and used to teach science. The scientific method bit is utterly critical to the whole process. People even thinking about commenting about a science subject would do very well to read, learn and understand scientific method. Sadly, there is too much subject matter of phys/chem/bio and not enough critical thinking or scientific method in the brains of those who have been through school in the last 50 years.

Specialists and scientific professionals would do well to refresh themselves of this method and remember, opinion, politics, desired outcome, consensus and bias, as well as sloppy statistics, data "cherry picking" and drawing conclusions out of wholly inadequate models is NOT scientific and has no place in science.

I'm not going to comment on what I think, because it's quite clear that Climate Change, or whatever it's calling itself now is integral with politics and big business and even the best players in the game have been guilty of not being very scientific. I have read about the East Anglia Climate Research Unit and the disgusting frauds and bias undertaken there. I'm aware of Mann's hockey stick, I'm aware of the scale of things including geological time and the "evidence" we have is utterly utterly poor. I have also worked alongside ex-scientific staff of the UN IPCC and know a couple of other "climate change professionals" and I must say on all counts, they would be well placed reviewing their scientific method. However, religion and politics have warped their methods. Usually lots of yoghurt weaver socialism, or religious socialism.

Whether or not humans are causing global wombling, (it appears CO2 concentrations FOLLOW global temps, according to my chum Bernie, who is a clear thinking scientist working on the matter....at Cambridge - Not to appeal to authority....that's also unscientific), it would appear very much that humans are fucking the planet up and the best idea is to have a big cull. But, the planet has time (within the projected solar cycle) to evolve everything from scratch again, so let's forget our self-important nonsense, our Allau Ackbars, our greenie hand wringing vegetarian self flagellating hair shirt freaks and just live well, enjoy ourselves and go and do some big 11's at the traffic lights in a massive V8 car spewing out epic amounts of plant food gas.

We will all be dead soon, continents will move around and eventually the swelling sun will obliterate every trace of human life.

My model is to live well, enjoy myself, be decent to each other, watch a lot of porn, surf lots, go down lots of holes and drink a fair bit of beer.

Cheers. DFC.

 
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