Bottlebank
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Why not try and use everything that's emerged to improve things?
It seems one advantage of a Special General Meeting is that every member club has a vote, with a focus on specific issues rather than the meeting being cluttered up by reports, etc. Decisions taken at an SGM therefore have perhaps more authority than those taken at a committee meeting or even an AGM.
Two ideas have emerged from all of this that would be well worth implementing, and which would justify the holding of a general meeting.
Firstly the introduction of over the counter permits at short notice wherever possible. We now know this can be done, it's the sort of thing most people have wanted for years and it's only been scrapped because of the way it was introduced and operated. An SGM in a few weeks time could mean that by the time of the next committee meeting at the end of June people would be able obtain permits quickly and easily, provided either Bernies or Inglesport are willing to help or another outlet can be found to issue the permits.
Secondly Bob's idea of the BCA joining the CNCC as an associate member, thus allowing DIM's to obtain permits, and resolving the other main complaint that has existed for years. Even if the BCA can't be persuaded to apply in time once the idea is approved an application from them could be immediately accepted once it's received.
Adoption of these two ideas alone would allow the CNCC to move forward, with far greater support and backing from many, many cavers. It would let us move on from the situation we are in now, and look forwards rather than repeatedly raking over the embers of the past.
Since the original post it has also been pointed out that implementation of short notice permits would be much easier with an online calendar, so perhaps the SGM could also ask the CNCC webmaster to advise on the implementation of this and any costs involved.
If it helps any clubs/reps who think this would be worth pursuing please let me know, and if ten do I'll be happy to draft the letter.
This was initially posted on another thread, so just to quickly answer some of the points raised on the other thread. The changes would not require any constitutional changes, or renegotiation with landowners. The existing written/email system would remain in place. On a temporary basis DIM's could prove BCA membership by being asking to collect their permits from participating shops for example and producing their membership card.
The changes would obviously require the support of the relevant meets secretaries.
It would be good to hear views directly or on here from any member clubs, meets secretaries and especially Inglesport, Bernies and any other shops that may be willing to help.
It seems one advantage of a Special General Meeting is that every member club has a vote, with a focus on specific issues rather than the meeting being cluttered up by reports, etc. Decisions taken at an SGM therefore have perhaps more authority than those taken at a committee meeting or even an AGM.
Two ideas have emerged from all of this that would be well worth implementing, and which would justify the holding of a general meeting.
Firstly the introduction of over the counter permits at short notice wherever possible. We now know this can be done, it's the sort of thing most people have wanted for years and it's only been scrapped because of the way it was introduced and operated. An SGM in a few weeks time could mean that by the time of the next committee meeting at the end of June people would be able obtain permits quickly and easily, provided either Bernies or Inglesport are willing to help or another outlet can be found to issue the permits.
Secondly Bob's idea of the BCA joining the CNCC as an associate member, thus allowing DIM's to obtain permits, and resolving the other main complaint that has existed for years. Even if the BCA can't be persuaded to apply in time once the idea is approved an application from them could be immediately accepted once it's received.
Adoption of these two ideas alone would allow the CNCC to move forward, with far greater support and backing from many, many cavers. It would let us move on from the situation we are in now, and look forwards rather than repeatedly raking over the embers of the past.
Since the original post it has also been pointed out that implementation of short notice permits would be much easier with an online calendar, so perhaps the SGM could also ask the CNCC webmaster to advise on the implementation of this and any costs involved.
If it helps any clubs/reps who think this would be worth pursuing please let me know, and if ten do I'll be happy to draft the letter.
This was initially posted on another thread, so just to quickly answer some of the points raised on the other thread. The changes would not require any constitutional changes, or renegotiation with landowners. The existing written/email system would remain in place. On a temporary basis DIM's could prove BCA membership by being asking to collect their permits from participating shops for example and producing their membership card.
The changes would obviously require the support of the relevant meets secretaries.
It would be good to hear views directly or on here from any member clubs, meets secretaries and especially Inglesport, Bernies and any other shops that may be willing to help.