other individuals can still go if they want to...
But MikeM they can't on some access body meetings
other individuals can still go if they want to...
Jack said:other individuals can still go if they want to...
But MikeM they can't on some access body meetings
Those access bodies, whilst being run by cavers, are presumably not part of the BCA & can organise themselves however they like - it's up to other cavers to turn them around, if they feel so inclined. They presumably also don't have club reps (unless set up by clubs).Madness said:Jack said:other individuals can still go if they want to...
But MikeM they can't on some access body meetings
They also need to know when and where meetings are taking place. Sometimes the organisers of such meetings want to keep them hush hush.
mikem said:Those access bodies, whilst being run by cavers, are presumably not part of the BCA & can organise themselves however they like - it's up to other cavers to turn them around, if they feel so inclined. They presumably also don't have club reps (unless set up by clubs).
andrewmc said:"CSCC are against any motions which diminish the representation of regional constituent bodies on BCA and allows individual people to operate without reference back to the regions."
andrewmc said:Do they represent cavers who live in the region? Who cave in the region? What about people who live or work in multiple regions?
Or do they represent the caves in the region?
Or do they represent clubs, and therefore fail to represent individual members (who of course get no say in regional council meetings)? What about clubs that are in several regions?
NewStuff said:andrewmc said:"CSCC are against any motions which diminish the representation of regional constituent bodies on BCA and allows individual people to operate without reference back to the regions."
Can't have the unwashed masses thinking for themselves now, can we....
Cap'n Chris said:andrewmc said:Do they represent cavers who live in the region? Who cave in the region? What about people who live or work in multiple regions?
Or do they represent the caves in the region?
Or do they represent clubs, and therefore fail to represent individual members (who of course get no say in regional council meetings)? What about clubs that are in several regions?
Like you, I'd dearly love to know.
Badlad said:The new CNCC Mission Statement
The CNCC is an open and welcoming organisation that represents caving and cavers in the north of England and Scotland. As an exclusively volunteer-led organisation, we will:
Work to achieve the best possible access to caves.
Establish beneficial relations with landowners and kindred organisations.
Promote safe and responsible caving in parallel with cave and countryside conservation.
Provide services and information to improve the accessibility of caving.
Also from the CNCC website, "Today the CNCC serves as the British Caving Association (BCA) Regional Council for the north of England (and Scotland) and will represent the best interests and work to the benefit of cavers and caving clubs in our region."
Why are Scotland in parenthesis?
Pegasus said:'Subservient'
andrewmc said:The BCA is unquestionably the governing body of caving and mine exploration in the UK.
Cookie said:andrewmc said:The BCA is unquestionably the governing body of caving and mine exploration in the UK.
That statement is questionable.
The BCA is a national body, it is a representative body but it is not a governing body.
Hence the bit in the Constitution about not involving itself in members' affairs unless invited to do so.