How many caves are there in Devonshire?

whitelackington

New member
Other than a bit of soloing when I was young and lived in Torquay,
I have not been to devon for caving.
How many caves are there in devonshire? :D
 

Les W

Active member
lots  ;)

http://www.dcuc.org.uk  Cave Registry

There you go Whitelackington an online resource, no need to buy any books and you can do all the counting you need to. Let us know how many  :sneaky:
 

Les W

Active member
There are actually 662 entries in the database but I don't believe for one minute that it is complete.  :-\
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
CSCC Access page database for Mendip caves has 142. I never realised Devon had so much to offer. Must go and visit some more stuff down there soon.
 

martinr

Active member
...but at least 269 of them appear not to be signifiant enough to be named, only numbered:

Cave
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 1 
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 2 
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 4 
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 5 
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 6 
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 7 
Beer Sea Cave No 1 
Beer Sea Cave No 10 
Beer Sea Cave No 11 
Beer Sea Cave No 12 
Beer Sea Cave No 13 
Beer Sea Cave No 14 
Beer Sea Cave No 15 
Beer Sea Cave No 16 
Beer Sea Cave No 17 
Beer Sea Cave No 18 
Beer Sea Cave No 19 
Beer Sea Cave No 2 
Beer Sea Cave No 20 
Beer Sea Cave No 21 
Beer Sea Cave No 22 
Beer Sea Cave No 23 
Beer Sea Cave No 24 
Beer Sea Cave No 25 
Beer Sea Cave No 26 
Beer Sea Cave No 27 
Beer Sea Cave No 28 
Beer Sea Cave No 29 
Beer Sea Cave No 3 
Beer Sea Cave No 30 
Beer Sea Cave No 31 
Beer Sea Cave No 32 
Beer Sea Cave No 33 
Beer Sea Cave No 34 
Beer Sea Cave No 35 
Beer Sea Cave No 36 
Beer Sea Cave No 37 
Beer Sea Cave No 38 
Beer Sea Cave No 39 
Beer Sea Cave No 4 
Beer Sea Cave No 40 
Beer Sea Cave No 41 
Beer Sea Cave No 42 
Beer Sea Cave No 43 
Beer Sea Cave No 44 
Beer Sea Cave No 45 
Beer Sea Cave No 46 
Beer Sea Cave No 47 
Beer Sea Cave No 5 
Beer Sea Cave No 6 
Beer Sea Cave No 7 
Beer Sea Cave No 8 
Beer Sea Cave No 9 
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 1 
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 2 
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 3 
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 4 
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 5 
Berry Head Sea Cave. 1 
Berry Head Sea Cave. 2 
Berry Head Sea Cave. 3 
Berry Head Sea Cave. 4 
Bishop's Walk Cave No 1 
Bishop's Walk Cave No 2 
Chudleigh Cave No 20 
Chudleigh Cave No 21 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 1 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 2 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 3 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 4 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 5 
Colesdown Hill Cave No 6 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 1 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 2 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 3 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 4 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 5 
Corbyn's Head Cave No 6 
Empacombe cave No 1 
Empacombe cave No 2 
Empacombe cave No 3 
Hexton Quarry Cave 1 
Hexton Quarry Cave 2 
Hexton Quarry Cave 3 
Hoe Sea Cave 1 
Hoe Sea Cave 2 
Hoe Sea Cave 3 
Hoe Sea Cave 4 
Hoe Sea Cave 5 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 1 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 10 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 11 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 12/3/4 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 15 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 16 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 17 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 18 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 19/20 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 2 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 21 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 22 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 23 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 24 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 25 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 26 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 3 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 4 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 5 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 6 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 7 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 8 
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 9 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 1 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 2 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 3 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 4 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 5 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 6 
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 7 
Kitley Cave 19 
Kitley Cave 22 
Kitley Cave 23 
Kitley Cave 26 
Langford Quarry Cave No 1 
Langford Quarry Cave No 10 
Langford Quarry Cave No 11 
Langford Quarry Cave No 12 
Langford Quarry Cave No 2 
Langford Quarry Cave No 3 
Langford Quarry Cave No 4 
Langford Quarry Cave No 5/6 
Langford Quarry Cave No 7 
Langford Quarry Cave No 8 
Langford Quarry Cave No 9 
Leek head bay sea cave 1 
Leek head bay sea cave 2 
Leek head bay sea cave 3 
Leek head bay sea cave 4 
Leek head bay sea cave 5 
Linhay Hill cave No 1 
Linhay Hill cave No 2 
Linhay Hill cave No 3 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 1 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 2 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 3 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 4 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 5 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 6 
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 7 
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 1 
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 2 
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 3 
Long Point Quarry Cave No 1 
Long Point Quarry Cave No 2 
Long Point Quarry Cave No 3 
Long Point Quarry Cave No 4 
Lundy Island Cave No 1 
Lundy Island Cave No 10 
Lundy Island Cave No 11 
Lundy Island Cave No 12 
Lundy Island Cave No 13 
Lundy Island Cave No 14 
Lundy Island Cave No 15 
Lundy Island Cave No 16 
Lundy Island Cave No 17 
Lundy Island Cave No 18 
Lundy Island Cave No 19 
Lundy Island Cave No 2 
Lundy Island Cave No 20 
Lundy Island Cave No 21 
Lundy Island Cave No 22 
Lundy Island Cave No 23 
Lundy Island Cave No 24 
Lundy Island Cave No 25 
Lundy Island Cave No 26 
Lundy Island Cave No 3 
Lundy Island Cave No 4 
Lundy Island Cave No 5 
Lundy Island Cave No 6 
Lundy Island Cave No 7 
Lundy Island Cave No 8 
Lundy Island Cave No 9 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 1 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 10 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 11 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 12 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 13 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 14 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 2 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 3 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 4 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 5 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 6 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 7 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 8 
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 9 
Man Sands Sea Cave No 1 
Man Sands Sea Cave No 2 
Man Sands Sea Cave No 3 
Ram's Cliff Cave No 1 
Ram's Cliff Cave No 2 
Ram's Cliff Cave No 3 
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 1 
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 2 
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 3 
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 4 
Shaky Cave 
Shaky Cave 
Shaky Cave Higher 
Shaw's Cave No 10 
Shaw's Cave No 11 
Shaw's Cave No 12 
Shaw's Cave No 13 
Shaw's Cave No 14 
Shaw's Cave No 15 
Shaw's Cave No 16 
Shaw's Cave No 17 
Shaw's Cave No 2 
Shaw's Cave No 20 
Shaw's Cave No 3 
Shaw's Cave No 4 
Shaw's Cave No 5 
Shaw's Cave No 6 
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 1 
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 2 
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 3 
Totnes Cave (s) No 1 
Totnes Cave (s) No 2 
Totnes Cave (s) No 3 
Watcombe Sea Cave No 1 
Watcombe Sea Cave No 2 
Watcombe Sea Cave No 3 
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 1 
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 2 
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 3 
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 4 
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 5 
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 2 
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 3 
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 4 
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 6 
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 7 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 1 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 10/1 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 12 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 13/4 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 15 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 16 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 17 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 18 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 19 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 2/22 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 20 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 21 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 23 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 24 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 25 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 26 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 27 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 3 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 4/17 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 5 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 6 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 7 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 8 
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 9 
Wild Pear Cave No 1 
Wild Pear Cave No 2 
Wild Pear Cave No 3 

I reckon Mendip would have over 1000 caves, if you care to go around numering every rabbit hole  ;)
 

ian mckenzie

New member
[quote author=martinr]
I reckon Mendip would have over 1000 caves, if you care to go around numering every rabbit hole   ;)[/quote]
Caves of County Clare (1981) includes named caves with a length of "0".
 
T

Tree Monkey

Guest
martinr said:
...but at least 269 of them appear not to be signifiant enough to be named, only numbered:

Cave
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 1                                           
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 2
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 4
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 5
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 6
Anstey's Cove Slip Rift No 7
Beer Sea Cave No 1
Beer Sea Cave No 10
Beer Sea Cave No 11
Beer Sea Cave No 12
Beer Sea Cave No 13
Beer Sea Cave No 14
Beer Sea Cave No 15
Beer Sea Cave No 16
Beer Sea Cave No 17
Beer Sea Cave No 18
Beer Sea Cave No 19
Beer Sea Cave No 2
Beer Sea Cave No 20
Beer Sea Cave No 21
Beer Sea Cave No 22
Beer Sea Cave No 23
Beer Sea Cave No 24
Beer Sea Cave No 25
Beer Sea Cave No 26
Beer Sea Cave No 27
Beer Sea Cave No 28
Beer Sea Cave No 29
Beer Sea Cave No 3
Beer Sea Cave No 30
Beer Sea Cave No 31
Beer Sea Cave No 32
Beer Sea Cave No 33
Beer Sea Cave No 34
Beer Sea Cave No 35
Beer Sea Cave No 36
Beer Sea Cave No 37
Beer Sea Cave No 38
Beer Sea Cave No 39
Beer Sea Cave No 4
Beer Sea Cave No 40
Beer Sea Cave No 41
Beer Sea Cave No 42
Beer Sea Cave No 43
Beer Sea Cave No 44
Beer Sea Cave No 45
Beer Sea Cave No 46
Beer Sea Cave No 47
Beer Sea Cave No 5
Beer Sea Cave No 6
Beer Sea Cave No 7
Beer Sea Cave No 8
Beer Sea Cave No 9
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 1
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 2
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 3
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 4
Berry Head Quarry Caves. 5
Berry Head Sea Cave. 1
Berry Head Sea Cave. 2
Berry Head Sea Cave. 3
Berry Head Sea Cave. 4
Bishop's Walk Cave No 1
Bishop's Walk Cave No 2
Chudleigh Cave No 20
Chudleigh Cave No 21
Colesdown Hill Cave No 1
Colesdown Hill Cave No 2
Colesdown Hill Cave No 3
Colesdown Hill Cave No 4
Colesdown Hill Cave No 5
Colesdown Hill Cave No 6
Corbyn's Head Cave No 1
Corbyn's Head Cave No 2
Corbyn's Head Cave No 3
Corbyn's Head Cave No 4
Corbyn's Head Cave No 5
Corbyn's Head Cave No 6
Empacombe cave No 1
Empacombe cave No 2
Empacombe cave No 3
Hexton Quarry Cave 1
Hexton Quarry Cave 2
Hexton Quarry Cave 3
Hoe Sea Cave 1
Hoe Sea Cave 2
Hoe Sea Cave 3
Hoe Sea Cave 4
Hoe Sea Cave 5
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 1
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 10
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 11
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 12/3/4
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 15
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 16
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 17
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 18
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 19/20
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 2
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 21
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 22
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 23
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 24
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 25
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 26
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 3
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 4
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 5
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 6
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 7
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 8
Hooe lake Quarry Cave No 9
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 1
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 2
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 3
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 4
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 5
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 6
Hopes Nose Submarine cave No 7
Kitley Cave 19
Kitley Cave 22
Kitley Cave 23
Kitley Cave 26
Langford Quarry Cave No 1
Langford Quarry Cave No 10
Langford Quarry Cave No 11
Langford Quarry Cave No 12
Langford Quarry Cave No 2
Langford Quarry Cave No 3
Langford Quarry Cave No 4
Langford Quarry Cave No 5/6
Langford Quarry Cave No 7
Langford Quarry Cave No 8
Langford Quarry Cave No 9
Leek head bay sea cave 1
Leek head bay sea cave 2
Leek head bay sea cave 3
Leek head bay sea cave 4
Leek head bay sea cave 5
Linhay Hill cave No 1
Linhay Hill cave No 2
Linhay Hill cave No 3
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 1
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 2
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 3
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 4
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 5
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 6
Livermead Head Sea Cave No 7
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 1
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 2
London Bridge Sea Cave (TN) 3
Long Point Quarry Cave No 1
Long Point Quarry Cave No 2
Long Point Quarry Cave No 3
Long Point Quarry Cave No 4
Lundy Island Cave No 1
Lundy Island Cave No 10
Lundy Island Cave No 11
Lundy Island Cave No 12
Lundy Island Cave No 13
Lundy Island Cave No 14
Lundy Island Cave No 15
Lundy Island Cave No 16
Lundy Island Cave No 17
Lundy Island Cave No 18
Lundy Island Cave No 19
Lundy Island Cave No 2
Lundy Island Cave No 20
Lundy Island Cave No 21
Lundy Island Cave No 22
Lundy Island Cave No 23
Lundy Island Cave No 24
Lundy Island Cave No 25
Lundy Island Cave No 26
Lundy Island Cave No 3
Lundy Island Cave No 4
Lundy Island Cave No 5
Lundy Island Cave No 6
Lundy Island Cave No 7
Lundy Island Cave No 8
Lundy Island Cave No 9
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 1
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 10
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 11
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 12
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 13
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 14
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 2
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 3
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 4
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 5
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 6
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 7
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 8
Mackerel Cove Sea Cave No 9
Man Sands Sea Cave No 1
Man Sands Sea Cave No 2
Man Sands Sea Cave No 3
Ram's Cliff Cave No 1
Ram's Cliff Cave No 2
Ram's Cliff Cave No 3
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 1
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 2
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 3
Shag Cliff Slip Rift No 4
Shaky Cave
Shaky Cave
Shaky Cave Higher
Shaw's Cave No 10
Shaw's Cave No 11
Shaw's Cave No 12
Shaw's Cave No 13
Shaw's Cave No 14
Shaw's Cave No 15
Shaw's Cave No 16
Shaw's Cave No 17
Shaw's Cave No 2
Shaw's Cave No 20
Shaw's Cave No 3
Shaw's Cave No 4
Shaw's Cave No 5
Shaw's Cave No 6
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 1
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 2
Smuggler's Hole Cave No 3
Totnes Cave (s) No 1
Totnes Cave (s) No 2
Totnes Cave (s) No 3
Watcombe Sea Cave No 1
Watcombe Sea Cave No 2
Watcombe Sea Cave No 3
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 1
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 2
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 3
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 4
Watcombe Slip Rift Cave No 5
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 2
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 3
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 4
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 6
West Hoe Quarry Cave No 7
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 1
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 10/1
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 12
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 13/4
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 15
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 16
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 17
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 18
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 19
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 2/22
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 20
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 21
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 23
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 24
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 25
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 26
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 27
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 3
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 4/17
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 5
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 6
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 7
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 8
Western Torrs Quarry Cave No 9
Wild Pear Cave No 1
Wild Pear Cave No 2
Wild Pear Cave No 3

I reckon Mendip would have over 1000 caves, if you care to go around numering every rabbit hole  ;)
  Everyone loves a  :sneaky: (y)
 

Les W

Active member
Worth doing?

This is a matter of personal perspective, how do you define "worth doing"  :-\

If you mean caves of a significant length or with a degree of sporting challenge then there are about seven (which is not actually many less than Mendip)

The longest cave in Devon is Bakers Pit which has a total length of 3.5km, a 15m(ish) entrance shaft, large chambers, small streamway, well decorated and a through trip (not permitted as it exits into a private gas store though)

Reeds Cavern is also part of this system but the connection has been blocked due to them damned furry flying meeces.
Visits are permitted to Reeds in the summer months.

Pridhamsleigh Cavern is a cracking cave with something for everyone, especially mud but also lots of interconnecting chambers, deep pools, water :eek: and the (in)famous lake at the end. Dog Hole is almost certainly a part of this system but with no known connection at the moment. It is however very pretty in the extensions (which are gated to protect them - key readily available).

Afton Red Rift - does exactly what it says on the tin, Afton Red Rift is a superb, sporting round trip with chambers, crawls, climbs, squeezes, traverses and some of the finest spiders you are ever likely to see :eek: :eek:

Radford cave is another fine round trip with some large chambers, prettied, climbs and crawls. Not sure what the access is here at the moment though.  :(

Bunkers is very pretty and gated with a leader system although the cave is short it is well worth doing - take a camera!

I am reliably informed that Cliffords Cave is worthy of a visit as well but I have not personally been there.  :-\

Coombsend Chasm is a good trip too although quite short.

There are various caves at Berry Head Quarry but most are gated and access is controlled.  :(

Penrecca mine is worthy of a visit as well. This slate mine has a through trip with a 30m shaft and a few side passages to explore

Enough to keep you busy for the weekend I reckon ;) ;) ;)
 

graham

New member
ian mckenzie said:
[quote author=martinr]
I reckon Mendip would have over 1000 caves, if you care to go around numering every rabbit hole   ;)
Caves of County Clare (1981) includes named caves with a length of "0".
[/quote]

As does the latest edition, as does Willie Stanton's Complete Caves of Mendip but then many cavers are interested in things like choked sinks and unexplored risings.
 

martinr

Active member
Les W said:
Martinr you have too much time on your hands  ::)

Not as much as Whielackington  :LOL:

Perhaps he will go to Devon and not come back till he's dyetraced all 662 caves to their resurgences.  o_O Then he can ask The Devon and Cornwall Underground Council to explain how none DCUC people can start a dig in/on DCUC controlled sites   :chair: ( all in secret of course), he might even "Hit Water" when he (or more probably his oiks) drops a shaft to minus 100 metres,   :tease: then pump it dry with a windmill he picked up in his Volvo when he was in the Netherlands. :spank:

Only joking Mick - have a good Xmas  :kiss2:

Martinr
 

rhychydwr1

Active member
It is no good folks, you will have to buy the book if you want caves descriptions. 

HE CONCISE CAVES OF DEVON by A D Oldham, J E A Oldham and J Smart. 1986 revised January 1991, with a note by Jack Baer 02 December 2002.  ii + 62 pp + [2] + 12  +[2] pp supplements, including the Complete Caves of Devon [list of caves by NGR].  40 surveys, 7 maps, 5 photos, with summaries in English, French and German.  The long out of print "Limestones and Caves of Devon" was criticised as being too verbose and of little interest to the sporting caver.  This present volume attempts to over-come these failings by omitting both references and all caves which are filled in or quarried away.  This new revised edition is both 1/3 the price and 1/2 number of pages than its predecessor, even so over 270 caves are described, many with surveys.  Essential reading for anyone considering caving in Devon.    SB  £10.00

The Registry only gives name, NGR and Length.

available from tonyfoldham@hotmail.com
:) ;) ;) :ang: :beer: :beer: :kiss2: :kiss2: :clap: :halo: :sneaky: :tease:[/list]
 

martinr

Active member
rhychydwr1 said:
It is no good folks, you will have to buy the book if you want caves descriptions. 

HE CONCISE CAVES OF DEVON .......  Essential reading for anyone considering caving in Devon. 

The ideal Xmas pressie for lacksreadington
 

graham

New member
rhychydwr1 said:
It is no good folks, you will have to buy the book if you want caves descriptions. 

HE CONCISE CAVES OF DEVON by A D Oldham, J E A Oldham and J Smart. 1986 revised January 1991, with a note by Jack Baer 02 December 2002.  ii + 62 pp + [2] + 12  +[2] pp supplements, including the Complete Caves of Devon [list of caves by NGR].  40 surveys, 7 maps, 5 photos, with summaries in English, French and German.  The long out of print "Limestones and Caves of Devon" was criticised as being too verbose and of little interest to the sporting caver.  This present volume attempts to over-come these failings by omitting both references and all caves which are filled in or quarried away.  This new revised edition is both 1/3 the price and 1/2 number of pages than its predecessor, even so over 270 caves are described, many with surveys.  Essential reading for anyone considering caving in Devon.    SB  £10.00

The Registry only gives name, NGR and Length.

available from tonyfoldham@hotmail.com
:) ;) ;) :ang: :beer: :beer: :kiss2: :kiss2: :clap: :halo: :sneaky: :tease:[/list]

Ah, yes, the book that pissed off an entire caving region. Well done Tony.  :clap:
 

whitelackington

New member
martinr said:
Les W said:
Martinr you have too much time on your hands  ::)

Not as much as Whielackington  :LOL:

Perhaps he will go to Devon and not come back till he's dyetraced all 662 caves to their resurgences.  o_O Then he can ask The Devon and Cornwall Underground Council to explain how none DCUC people can start a dig in/on DCUC controlled sites  :chair: ( all in secret of course), he might even "Hit Water" when he (or more probably his oiks) drops a shaft to minus 100 metres,  :tease: then pump it dry with a windmill he picked up in his Volvo when he was in the Netherlands. :spank:

Only joking Mick - have a good Xmas  :kiss2:

Martinr



:clap:
That was exceedingly funny Martinr, just woke up and thought i would check my mail before off to relatives, you have started my Christmas with a good belly laugh :beer:
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
graham said:
ian mckenzie said:
[quote author=martinr]
I reckon Mendip would have over 1000 caves, if you care to go around numering every rabbit hole  ;)
Caves of County Clare (1981) includes named caves with a length of "0".

As does the latest edition, as does Willie Stanton's Complete Caves of Mendip but then many cavers are interested in things like choked sinks and unexplored risings.
[/quote]

Graham makes a very important point which the "too verbose" comments about Oldham's book fails to detect - non-sports-cavers are interested in caves with potential (remember that quaint pastime, digging?) and in these modern times where much of the countryside is turning to bramgle (cross between jungle and brambles, hawthorn et al; my own made-up word BTW - crap, innit?) the sites of "little interest to the sporting caver", if not already "lost", are at risk of being temporarily lost in impenetrable thickets. With something of a rennaisance in Mendip digging happening RIGHT NOW many of these lesser sites could become the focus of attention. To ignore sites which no-one visits "because they're not worth bothering with" would be a sad mindset to get into since where would the new discoveries come from if people "didn't bother"?.... I think a COMPREHENSIVE book of sites for any region is an essential publication at least once every 25 years or so - also, given we are now approaching 2007 I think it's reasonable to expect downloadable GPS data on accompanying DVD and photographs of entrances to aid identification. Bill Chadwick's superb mapping of Mendip sets a remarkable example of what is possible.
 

mrodoc

Well-known member
Tony Oldham's Caves of Devon was based on a list Pete Rose Nick Chipchase and myself cooked up in the 60's but never published as the DSS didn't like the idea. Tony included some spoof sites in the second edition such as Lafrowda Pot (Exeter Uni's drains) and the public toilets in Buckfastleigh. 

The best and most authoritative guide to Devon caves was published by Chris Proctor about 20 years ago - now out of print. Chris also didn't get round to covering all the regions in Devon but he was pretty thorough in listing all sites of speleological interest rather than open cave. Since then we have found new open cave. Cookie will remember being stuffed into it I expect!
 

Les W

Active member
mrodoc said:
Since then we have found new open cave. Cookie will remember being stuffed into it I expect!

Since then we have been back again and "surveyed" it (about 6 body lengths long)  We were going to write it up as a major Devon discovery but couldn't be bothered ;)
 
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