US caver coming to the UK

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woputnam

Guest
I am an NSS member and long-time caver from the southeastern USA (TAG region) and I will be visiting England, Wales, and Scotland for a couple of weeks in July. I would appreciate any suggestions from UK cavers on some showcaves to visit. I will have my family with me and will not have any caving gear, so I can't do any real caving this trip, but hope to do some "tourist caving."

Looking through my library and on the Internet, it looks like Wookey Hole, Dan Yr Ogof, and Ingleborough would be worth visiting. Ingleborough would be good as I would like to at least hike up to the entrance of Gaping Ghyll.

I will be arriving in London on the 14th and departing Edinburgh on the 28th. If there are any caving meets or events of interest during that period, I would love to hear about those as well. Also any interesting things to do or places to visit (favorite pubs for cavers?) and so forth...

Thanks in advance,

Bill Putnam
putnam@scci.org
NSS21117LF
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Bill, if you're going to be visiting Wookey Hole in the Mendip Hills it's worth knowing that you could do something along these lines (a) if you're rich enough and (b) if you move fast (although the journey distances amount to under 30 miles total for one day):

Arrive in Cheddar around 9:30am - drive up Cheddar Gorge (inland valley of insignificant proportions compared with, say, the Grand Canyon) and gasp at the wisdom of building a road underneath 400' cliffs before driving back down and parking in one of the central Gorge (not village) car parks for a fee (probably £2-£3); from here you can run the gamut of quaint English tourist honeypot shops which inhabit prehistoric cottages built by midgets before haemorraghing a sum equivalent to the GDP of Costa Rica to get you and your family into the Showcaves at Gough's Cave (one of the most superlative caves in the Universe) which contained a fair amount of archaeology when first discovered in the C19th; it makes Carlsbad Caverns seem stupendously magnificent. Gasp in bewilderment at the joys within. Return to daylight probably before 11:00am and run to your car before the Gypsies selling lucky heather grab hold of your wife and make haste towards the East, following the Southern flank of the verdant Mendip escarpment; the journey is about 8 miles and takes about 20 minutes and you will find signposts luring you to Wookey Hole Caves where, gosh - what a missed opportunity!, the car parking is free; disembarking before joining the sinister queue to disgorge the remaining contents of your wallet, you can freshen up in the actually rather fine and modern restroom; clutching your tickets you then follow the uphill ravine path past the sound of dinosaurs, king kong etc. which live in the valley below where they traumatise children, you locate the entrance to the cave proper and a guide will lead you into hell - the cave at Wookey is IMHO a superior experience. You will probably end your tour of the whole place by 1:30pm (the cave is only a small part of the tour which also takes in the papermill and some jolly fine English amusements along the way including the Valley of the Models and the Land that Wallets Forgot etc..).

http://www.cheddarsomerset.co.uk/
http://www.cheddarcaves.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Costa_Rica
http://www.cheddarvillage.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Gorge_and_Caves
http://www.cheddargorgecheeseco.co.uk/
http://www.uk-climbing.co.uk/crags/corry/index.htm
http://www.wookey.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wookey_Hole_Caves

Time then to do the 2 mile drive into the smallest city in England, Wells; the 1,000 year old (no joke) Cathedral is worth a look-see and then you can wander through the market square (to visit an ATM and refill your wallet) and see if you recognise it from the hit film "Hot Fuzz" (BTW you should watch Hot Fuzz as a family before visiting Wells since it gives you a precise idea of what life in England is like for those of us who inhabit this miniscule inbred isle). You may decide to have a traditional English Cream Tea (this is a pot of tea, some scones (tasteless round flat doughy lumps) which you spread alternate layers of strawberry jam and thick clotted cream upon after cutting them laterally in half - the jam and cream is effectively delivered to your mouth by the scone and does a good job at creating a semblance of flavour to the equation)).

http://members.tripod.com/wells_mendips/
http://www.wellscathedral.org.uk/
http://www.hotfuzz.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_tea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine

Your sticky fingers will aid your grip on the steering wheel as you drive like the wind across the Somerset Levels (Here Be Dragons/Hippies) to the Breast-shaped Isle of Avalon at Glastonbury; there is a field in the centre of this town which pretends to contain a magnificent Abbey, destroyed in the C16th, but there's nothing to see other than a derelict stone wall so save your time to gasp in awe at the rag-tag collection of shops in the high street (high streets are main streets which aren't high - except in the case of Glastonbury, of course, which is mostly high most of the time if you get my drift, man) which vend items of no-use-to-anyone-whatsoever; here you can purchase ying/yang dream catching crystal incense tarot aromatherapy wicca hair braids and uber vegan green lentil tea with sesame crumb and henbane balm crackers. There are a lot of crackers in Glastonbury.

http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_Levels
http://www.glastonburyabbey.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-glastonburytor/
http://www.hippy.com/review-149.html

If you are lucky enough to escape you may wish to take a detour, presuming it's now after 5:30pm, back towards Wells/Wookey but drive up on to the top of the Mendip Hills and locate the Deliverance-style hostilery of the Hunters Lodge; this mediaevel drinking house has its origins in Celtic tradition and has recently adopted the novelty of an electric light bulb in the adjoining outbuilding which contains a bench for the weary. The Hunters, as the locals who find talking tiresome call it, is world famous amongst cavers as the Centre of the Universe. However, now that you will have experienced the confines of the largest caves in Britain, you'll understand that UKers dwell in a particularly small universe indeed. Enjoy your visit and have a marvellously expensive day (as a rough guide expect to pay at least £10 per person per cave, plus parking in Cheddar, Wells and Glastonbury; a Cream Tea will cost you up to £5, most probably, but will suffice to keep two people on the edge of malnourishment for half an hour; an inadequate meal in the UK served by rude and ignorant staff will probably cost you about £7 per person if it's out of a microwave/deep fryer; it may even be edible - DO NOT TIP ANYONE in the UK unless it's to say things like "Smile, you might get promoted... actually you won't" or somesuch other trite jibe. So, as a ballpark, I'd reckon four people in one day in the UK, visiting a handful of touristy destinations plus buying food/refreshments etc., will cost around £150, this might also stretch to include a postcard (stamp not included).

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/18/1819/Hunters_Lodge/Priddy
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=4958
 

damian

Active member
Showcaves I can think of ...

North (Yorkshire Dales) - White Scar Cave ; Ingleborough Show Cave, Stump Cross Caverns

Derbyshire - Peak Cavern, Speedwell, Treak Cliff, Blue John Mine

S. Wales - Dan-yr-Ogof Showcaves (with Cathedral cave too)

Mendips - Gough's, Wookey Hole

I've only actually done Peak, Dan-yr-ogof and White Scar and all of them when on caving trips further in. On this basis, I would completely avoid Peak Cavern .. the best bit's the entrance, which is free!

If you actually wanted to do some real caving, I'm sure there are loads of people who'd be happy to lend you some gear and let you join their trips.
 

Elaine

Active member
There is another showcave at Buxton (Peak District) called something like Poole Cavern. It is reasonable sized and contains lots of phallicness.
 

Elaine

Active member
No no no, much ruder. Individual stagmites with pinky orange tops. Not quite sure how they got their colouring, presumably something new mixed in with the water dripping down on them. But they do look good.
 

Elaine

Active member
Ooh, well done anfieldman, that is exactly what they looked like!

You can see what I mean though can't you?
 

kay

Well-known member
woputnam said:
Ingleborough would be good as I would like to at least hike up to the entrance of Gaping Ghyll.

If your family is youngish, Ingleborough Cave is good - there's about a mile through woodland studded with enough strange seats and shelters and so on to keep young minds amused, there's a hydraulic ram to listen to as you pass (and find out how it works on a poster at the cave shop), then the cave, then the path continues up through a gorge which gives a bit of gentle scrambling. Then on to Ingleborough (mountain) itself and to Gaping Gill - if it's a Saturday, keep a look out for the Bradford and Craven cave diggers. Buy or borrow the OS map of Yorkshire Dales (Southern).

The showcaves in Derbyshire are interesting since they are all basically Blue John mines - Blue John is an attractive blue and transparent striped semi precious stone which we like to think is unique to here. One of the mines (Speedwell?) features a boat ride - fun for children. You could then follow it up with a visit to Chatsworth (stately home belonging to Duke of Devonshire, with good water garden), not for the obscene amount of money spent building and decorating the place, but for a gigantic urn fashioned out of Blue John.
 

SamT

Moderator
Errmmm - back on topic.  :spank:

Of the castleton caves - I'd say Peak Cavern and Treak Cliffe are the best two. Speedwell is only interesting if you have a grasp of the lead mining in the area - and have a bit of knowlegdge of the "Peak - speedwell - Far sump series - JH - Leviathan" - Titan saga.
Blue John is to  - but not as good as Treak.

http://www.speedwellcavern.co.uk/

http://www.devilsarse.com/

Treak cliffe is at - http://www.bluejohnstone.com/

There are also interesting tourist trips to be had in the Slate mines around Blaenau Festiniog in North wales.

http://www.llechwedd-slate-caverns.co.uk/
 

shotlighter

Active member
Pooles cavern in Buxton Derbyshire is gorgeous - in the 2yrs or so we dug the far end, I never tired of the walk in or out, despite sometimes doing the trip twice a week. Well recommended.
 

Wolfart

New member
(favorite pubs for cavers?)
You cant beat the Hunters Inn at Priddy on the Mendips, Oh and wlcome to England Bill and don't forget thereis an underground art exhbition on at Wells Museum (Wells Cathederal)over July August
 

biffa

New member
I think that Whitescar is one of the best show caves I have seen in the UK.  It's nice and near to Bernies Cafe in Ingleton which is a must visit to drink tea and eat cake surrounded by caving gear available for purchase.
 

anfieldman

New member
biffa said:
I think that Whitescar is one of the best show caves I have seen in the UK.  It's nice and near to Bernies Cafe in Ingleton which is a must visit to drink tea and eat cake surrounded by caving gear available for purchase.

Prefer Inglesport myself. Much nicer grub. ;)
 

AndyF

New member
In Derbyshire, I'd only really recommend "Blue John" as really worthwhile (it is good).... I dont really rate the Peak, Treak Cliff or Speedwell visits... (sorry :( )

If you go to South Wales I'd thoroughly recommend the "Big Pit" mining museum. You get to go 120 feet down in a cage and go around a real coal mine. It's brilliant, and the best bit is it's free as its part of the "Museum of Wales"

http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/bigpit/

http://www.world-heritage-blaenavon.org.uk/visit/places-of-interest/bigpit.htm




 

Burt

New member
Hi woputnam!
At the risk of being brazenly commercialistic (and risking the wrath of many in this community) send me a message through the contacts page and I can take you and your family caving for a modest fee, supplying all equipment. I run a government licensed activity centre.

To all of you now queing up to shoot me down then  :ras: got there before you, sour grapes etc.
 
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