hi me and a freind are thinking of starting caveing

could anybody tell me how to get into the sport

iam in dronfield is there anyclubs in my area

thanks

There's loads of clubs around the area but not sure if there's a comprehensive directory anywhre - I'll leave it up to the people on this board to recommend their clubs so I don't get accused of favouritism

I reckon the best approach is to join a club though, as it means you'll get to go with experienced cavers and probably be able to borrow kit until you work out whether you like the sport or not.

Have to agree with Bubs on that one. I shunned the idea of a club when I first started caving, but found that most of my climbing mates, after a few reluctent trips didnt want to go caving really. Ended up meeting someone though a mutual friend who was a member of the Eldon Pothole Club based in and around buxton - went to the pub and on a few trips with them and never looked back.

Infact its our Stomp (piss up) on April the 16th. Most of the Derbyshire fraternaty will be there. Why not come a long and see whats what.
(on second thoughts - you'll probably come away with the impression that we're all alcoholic nutters.).
Which isnt far from it actually.

SUSS (Sheffield University Speleo. Soc.) are going strong at the moment and since they've just split from the Uni can take on any members.

'Orpheus' and the Masson are also stong Peak district based clubs.

And then theres the TSG. Im sure various people will recommend various clubs depending on the type of caving your into doing.

The Eldon is mainly a 'digging' club, with a few trips thrown in now and then . But they're also good for a good piss up and party too.

Takes your pick - but most importantly - get out there and get caving.

cbown21 said:

hi me and a freind are thinking of starting caveing

could anybody tell me how to get into the sport

iam in dronfield is there anyclubs in my area

thanks

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Have a look at Orpheus Caving Club.

We are based in the Peak, have a club hut at Parsley Hay near Monyash and welcome new members.

The Eldon Pothole Club is very active and welcomes new Aspirant Members (currently £20 which includes insurance).

If you are interested the EPC meet on the first Thursday of each month at The White Lion, Spring Gardens, Buxton, or visit www.eldon.org.uk.

currently £20 which includes insurance).

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And I thought our club was cheap! ...£28. For £20 it's cheap as chips. Go for it!

Have a look at Orpheus Caving Club.

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Yo.
I'm also a member of the Orpheus Caving Club and cave most weekends in the Derbyshire area..
You're welcome to gimmie a shout if ya fancy giving it a go...
Cheers

Tim :jump:

hi
all though a studant club (now not part of the university) sheffield univrsity spelogical soisiaty wellcome beginers studant and not. we have kit to rent and you can cave at any level from shoret and ocashanal torist trips. To 12+ digging trips in the depths of the peak twice a week+ as well as trips abroad.

we meet in the cobden veiw ph (on cobden veiw road) on a thursday from 0930 ish or give me a ring 07870210546

map = http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.s...&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=786

sorry about the spelling let go caving i cant do this writing stuf

sorry about the spelling let go caving i cant do this writing stuf

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Why not type up your notes in Word (I think that the Uni. will have supplied it free to you) or something similar, and then run its spell checker before using ‘cut & paste' to place the text in your message?

Nothing against you personally hrock, but I'm noticing that this is becoming the normal quality of spelling for University students. At my workplace we're now making job applicants (mostly with 1st's, and even the doctorates) write a short essay about their trip to the interview so that we can judge their quality of language use and spelling! :evil:

I'm only 38 now, but I know for sure that I would not have gained any examination passes (not only in English) when I was at school if I could not have demonstrated a reasonable level of grammar, punctuation and spelling.

Perhaps you've been in the pub all lunchtime :?:

i wish still a bit out of it from digging yesteday but that is nothing to do with the spelling

i am very dyslexic and find that if i spel chek things it is very hard to pick the right word from the list so the end resut is harder to read. and punctuation well that is just too much to ask but dont worry i dont what to get am office job or any job with more than minimal writing.

henry

am very dyslexic and find that if i spel chek things it is very hard to pick the right word from the list so the end resut is harder to read. and punctuation well that is just too much to ask but dont worry i dont what to get am office job or any job with more than minimal writing.

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My son is dyslexic and has the same problem with spell checkers. Some of his word choices are very bizarre indeed!

H ROCK , dont let your dyslexia put you off posting i dont mind the odd spelling mistake

Im 28 and still have all on using a telliphone book !
Its piggin hard to be honest good for you !

Perhaps it's something in the water Henry :mrgreen:

I have to agree with dogdigger Adam... don't let it put you off posting... you amonst friends

Regards

DP

Certainly carry on! I wouldn't want to put anybody off anything - not least contributing to this board. 8)
Perhaps I should have guessed, having a dyslexic brother! But then I've never seen him on a PC, and I have never imagined that a spell checker could be such a problem!

hrock, perhaps if you had any thoughts on writing software in a manner that would not disadvantage youself and others, then I could pass it onto the software writing community at large? I can't remember ever reading anything about this matter in the trade magazines.

I still stand by my comments concerning the problems we have recruiting graduates who can spell and use grammar correctly.

B.T.W.
I've mentioned the perceived problem of dyslexics and spell checkers around the software world (with the hope of raising awareness of the issue), and come up with a couple of interesting things (apart from being flamed for being so ignorant about what the software can actually manage!)

Apparently people like Micros**t specifically employ dyslexia specialist in their spell checking department, and it was pointed out that in the original message that started this part of the thread, MSWord uniquely suggested the correct spelling or grammar for 23 of the 26 problems it identified. It only struggled on soisiaty (society - no correct suggestion), spelogical (no correct suggestion) and shoret (short - 3rd suggestion)
The second point is that there are context checking, phonetic based spell checkers specifically designed for the dyslexic user, which are reported to be even better than MSWord.

OK – these products are not perfect, but they are proven to help the understand ability of documents, even if they still contain errors. The tip that nearly everyone who positively responded (i.e. not totally slagging off my ignorance) to my posts was; that unless you know that the first suggestion is wrong, it's best to trust the software and choose its suggestion. The overall the document will improve as a result.

I hope this helps people to trust their spell checkers a little more.
It certainly helped me to understand that this issue is being considered.

Right, I've said enough on this subject!
And I apologise for any embarrassment I have caused to anyone.

Dave,

Just thought I would reply to this subject which seems to be causing you some aggravation

I am employed in the software industry and have to add am not a graduate and I'm not registered as having a disability of any kind.

I agree with you on the trusting argument when using a spellchecker, and yes they are exhaustively tested with the aim of suggesting the correct replacement word. Looking on the http://www.dyslexic.com/ website there are even spellchecking tools which will help with the correct pronunciation.

When reading Henry's original post I didn't find the text unreadable, In fact it really doesn't bother me about the spelling, and in addition he even apologised for the spelling at the bottom of the post !

In fact I felt he was being helpful and offering some advice to someone who wants to get into caving.. one of us !

I'm not writing this to go into a long and lengthy debate on the subject or even get into any arguments, I did say I agreed with you, but your thoughts on the subject don't seem to take into account the fact that everyone is different and you might have realised this especially having a dyslexic in your family as you admitted.

It was also very good of you to write and apologise to everyone, but some people especially those with a disability, might not show any regret but believe me it hurts on the inside when you know how people feel.

In a way I don't want to post because it has nothing to do with the original post and I wish cbown21 the very best of luck with the caving.. Maybe they will share there caving experiences with the rest of us if they have not been putt of by anything said here.

Very Best Wishes to you all and safe caving.

DP

well thank you for your apollergy and advice. no afence was takon in the first place i dont find it in the least bit afensive to be toled i cant spell (i know i cant)

thank you for the information very use full the thing witch helps the most is a definition of the suggeted word as then i can get the right one.

yours henry

hrock said:

hi

sorry about the spelling let go caving i cant do this writing stuf

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Eyup Henry have a butchers at this

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to rsceraeh at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas thguhot slpeling was ipmorantt.

Apparently people like Micros**t specifically employ dyslexia specialist in their spell checking department, and it was pointed out that in the original message that started this part of the thread, MSWord uniquely suggested the correct spelling or grammar for 23 of the 26 problems it identified. It only struggled on soisiaty (society - no correct suggestion), spelogical (no correct suggestion) and shoret (short - 3rd suggestion)

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The trouble is, as I see with my son, that just having the right word among the selection isn't everything - the writer also has to choose the right word from the selection offered.

I've seen my son spell a word wrongly, but in a way that can be uinderstood, use the spellchecker and pick out the wrong alternative, and use a word so far from his original that the sentence is now less understandable than it was in the beginning.

I think I got some inkling of the difficulties of dyslexia when I found out that my son can't hold enough letters of a word in his mind for long enough to be able to copy a word down from the blackboard.