An interesting thread popped up on Adit Now recently.
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Community/viewtopic.aspx?t=11724
It relates mostly to the 'access in private or democratic groups' thread but highlights the fact that threads about access nearly always end in a load of bickering. Can't really deny that can we? Read the thread above for yourselves but it suggests that cavers and mine explorers are very different in this respect. I was particularly intrigued by this comment on the Adit Now site,
"Having had a foot in both camps my perspective is that the caving scene is dominated by clubs and committees whereas the mine exploration scene tends to be more free booting and based on smaller less formal groups. Any activity based on formal structures and committees will attract people who like that sort of thing and enjoy playing politics for the sake of playing politics. This leads to ego tripping and empire building which contaminates the whole culture as reflected on the CAL discussion on UKC."
Any truth in this? Why do we bicker so much about access? Cavers seem to have such opposing views it is hard to find any common ground. Can anyone offer a solution?
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Community/viewtopic.aspx?t=11724
It relates mostly to the 'access in private or democratic groups' thread but highlights the fact that threads about access nearly always end in a load of bickering. Can't really deny that can we? Read the thread above for yourselves but it suggests that cavers and mine explorers are very different in this respect. I was particularly intrigued by this comment on the Adit Now site,
"Having had a foot in both camps my perspective is that the caving scene is dominated by clubs and committees whereas the mine exploration scene tends to be more free booting and based on smaller less formal groups. Any activity based on formal structures and committees will attract people who like that sort of thing and enjoy playing politics for the sake of playing politics. This leads to ego tripping and empire building which contaminates the whole culture as reflected on the CAL discussion on UKC."
Any truth in this? Why do we bicker so much about access? Cavers seem to have such opposing views it is hard to find any common ground. Can anyone offer a solution?