Since I no longer own a TV or video I have no need for these:



... so they're for sale.

Cave Safe I
Cave Safe II
Cave Safe III
Rock and a Hard Place
Shout!
Otter Hole

Oh, I reckon they'd be a bargain at £15* (inc. P&P)! Ideal for a club library?....

* For the lot.... i.e. not very much. PM me or stake your claim here in this thread publicly and then get in touch!... 

Cap'n
I've pm'd you, but I'll say it here as well. I would like them if they're still available.

Sold!... in 13minutes. It's quicker than browsing in BAT Products!

Ooops! Found another one.

Yours for £3 (INCLUDING P&P) - cheap as chips, bargain hunters!

If this is still available I'll send you another cheque.

Okeley-dokeley 

cap 'n chris said:

Since I no longer own a TV or video I have no need for these:

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There has to be a story behind this that might provide a little entertainment on a wet and windy night!

:-\

CN.

A very short story indeed.

Since I spend a bit* of time now and again online I suddenly noticed one day that I hadn't actually switched on my telly for a couple of months other than to watch the grand prix or the news/weather.

Then I realised that although I've been an avid fan of GP for a couple of decades there hasn't been a single race in the last year which I have sat down to watch where I haven't subsequently fallen asleep while doing so. It occurred to me that perhaps it was no longer particularly exciting and that if I (a) wasn't watching mainstream terrestrial tv at all anyway `cos all the programmes are shite and an offence against anyone with a functioning brain and (b) the only telly I watched sent me to sleep then there really wasn't any point in having a tv any more. On checking I found out that owning a computer which didn't have a broadcast card also meant I didn't need a tv license so I could keep up to speed on the news/weather by using my computer and I can watch hired/bought DVDs on my nice big flat screen.

All I await now is the saga of the "We don't believe you don't have a tv" nightmare which apparently happens to people who cease to pay for a licence. I've been warned that they send people around every 6 weeks to try and search your house, put you under surveillance and send shitty letters all the time threatening legal action; we shall have to see - my present licence runs out in about 4 weeks (yes, I chucked the telly a month ago and well before the licence expired).

* OK, quite a bit.

Yes they do seem to find it extremely difficult to believe that people don't have a TV  :chair: I just threw the letters in the bin from them, I'm wasn't going to keep paying the stamps to send letters telling them I don't have a TV. I don't thik they are allowed to enter your house either...

They're not; unless they've got a warrant - which they need to have reasonable grounds for in order that a judge will grant one - apparently.

Anyho, it might not happen but I expect it will. I intend to keep a diary. I've already got the name of the chappie who said nothing untoward would be happening since I have notified them with plenty of warning that I didn't intend to renew my licence.

A few years ago at my previous address I paid for the TV Licence by direct debit and had the licence at home with my address on it but somehow their database had the number of the house wrong on it. This resulted in an almost daily stream of people to my house telling me I hadn't got a licence - then me showing them the licence - lots of muttering - then returning the next day to do it all again....

The offence is not to own or be in possession of a tv, but to use it to receive broadcast images (as against using it as a bookcase or coffee table I suppose). Prosecutions are only usually pressed against persons who have actually admitted using the tele (so never, ever admit it).

A good friend of mine ran a tele without a licence for nearly fifteen years. He was on first name terms with the licence inspector.  The inspector always asked if he could come in, and my mate always told him to come back with a warrant (which he never did). He eventually bought a licence when he bought a brand new tele, because the shop would notify TV Licensing anyway.

cap 'n chris said:

On checking I found out that owning a computer which didn't have a broadcast card also meant I didn't need a tv license so I could keep up to speed on the news/weather by using my computer and I can watch hired/bought DVDs on my nice big flat screen.

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Whoever advised you didn't get it quite right. If you use a computer to watch programmes which are 'simultaneously or near simultaneously' broadcast you still need a licence. So watching say News 24 live via broadband needs a licence. Watching the same news clips from the BBC website doesn't.

My experience of telling them I didn't have a TV was a letter claiming that most people who said this were lieing so they wanted to come round and check. Since then I've just ignored them.

emgee said:

My experience of telling them I didn't have a TV was a letter claiming that most people who said this were lieing so they wanted to come round and check.

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Apparently it's just under 50% of people who are lying. Conversely this means that the majority of people who say they haven't got a telly are telling the truth. Do we live in a democracy?


No, thought not.

BTW thanks for your comment re News 24 - even though I've never heard of it. I watch non-streamed news on Reuters `cos it's not government-approved like BBC news....

I'd forgotton all about needing a TV license in the UK.  I get basic cable in this country $15 per month... so I guess I do pay in the end and only have 8 channels.  I thought about upgrading to premium cable which would have meant 400+ channels... 392 of which are absolute bollocks.  QVC1, QVC2, QVC3, etc... do I really want to buy a piece of crap off the TV?  Wouldn't I just go on Amazon to buy it?  I could watch the news on TV, but the Americans are so egocentrical and have there heads up there own arses that they don't realize there is a whole world of news beyond the western shores of the Atlantic or east of the Pacific.  Let's not discuss the fact that you NEVER hear about our beaver loving friends to the north.  So... I watch the BBC world news on the Wisconsin Public Broadcasting station along with re-runs of Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers, and a miriad of old British Comedy.  Fu*k me... I need a nice pint of Jennings Sneck Lifter and a tight cave* to go down.



Did you hear that a british team completed the second ever successful traverse of the Tendeñera/Arañonera system in the Spanish Pyrenees (the 1st was completed earlier on this summer).  Nice job Simon and Beardy!

Have a nice day!

CN.

* Providing I get one of those nice weight loss programs that they sell on the telly.

Best thing I ever did, was getting rid of me Telly and Video! It must have been over 7 years ago.

I have more time for Caving now!!

emgee said:

Whoever advised you didn't get it quite right. If you use a computer to watch programmes which are 'simultaneously or near simultaneously' broadcast you still need a licence. So watching say News 24 live via broadband needs a licence. ..

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Hmmm, one site says...

"A legal loophole highlighted by the communications regulator Ofcom means that viewers could watch television and listen to radio over the internet and mobile devices free, potentially costing the BBC millions of pounds in licence fees.

The Department for Culture, Media and Sport’s Green Paper setting out the BBC’s long-term future proposed a solution that could end the traditional fee.The paper suggested “either a compulsory levy on all households or even on ownership of PCs as well as TVs”. It said that technology might render it difficult to collect and enforce the fee. "

Another says..

"Our policy would be to prosecute the representative within the company who is responsible – for example a director, manager, secretary or other similar corporate officer – at the time the offence was committed," said a TV Licensing spokeswoman.

The BBC's live streaming of games could be a trigger for prosecutions. "We make no distinction between those watching TV via PC-TV, broadband or any other way," said the spokeswoman. "If you are watching TV at the same time as it is being broadcast in the UK you need to be covered by a valid licence."

Apparently the new generation of mobile phones which allow live streaming video are technically required to be covered by a TV licence. Problem is how do you enforce legislation which may affect someone living under a hedge who just happens to own a PAYG phone?  :-\

The TV stasi are coming to visit me soon, apparently; I've had a nice letter telling me that if I let them in to search my home then they won't visit me again for three years. This is clearly untrue but I'll be asking them that when they turn up - I might even ask for it in writing just in case they then decide to pop round in the meanwhile.... It's all silly buggers of course.

More than two months later and still no-one's turned up....

I BelieveThey wont turn up.
They didnt for me, I suffered a small amount of Paranoia after cancelling my subscription 18months ago having heard all sorts of horror stories.
I even went as far as offering them a visit to check there where no aerials or recievers coming in to the house (daft I know)
However they have never bugged me. I can only assume that they did do their checks with their mobile vans but just kept coming up with nothing....dunno, but its never been a problem since the initial phone call saying "no, im not moving or going abroad, i just dont want terrestrial tv anymore....." after a long silence over the other end of the phone they finally understood me...
Like you chris, I have stand alone unit for playing DVDs and thats all.Its Fab