"The Quarry is part of the Castleton SSSI and all digging needs to be logged."Does this mean we have carte blanche to dig anywhere in the quarry without asking for specific permission?
Quote from: mulucaver on October 07, 2013, 03:03:26 am"The Quarry is part of the Castleton SSSI and all digging needs to be logged."Does this mean we have carte blanche to dig anywhere in the quarry without asking for specific permission?It is as quoted "part of the Castleton SSSI", therefore any new dig needs prior consent from Natural England...
The DCA website says "New sites should be given a name and added to the survey." There is no mention of having to apply to Natural England. Perhaps it should be modified to make it clear.
What about digging in old digs?
Quote from: mulucaver on October 07, 2013, 11:41:39 amWhat about digging in old digs?They will presumably already have consent, so no problem. But the logging I think is at the stipulation of the landowner.
Quote from: mmilner on October 07, 2013, 03:39:02 pmQuote from: mulucaver on October 07, 2013, 11:41:39 amWhat about digging in old digs?They will presumably already have consent, so no problem. But the logging I think is at the stipulation of the landowner.Maybe so, but I would suggest that the "powers that be" (EN, Chatsworth, etc.) be notified of any intention to re-activate them, maybe via the relevent DCA officers? (Conservation - Mel, Access - Ewan), please remember that they both have only recently been persuaded into these posts so be gentle! Considering the HUGH amount of work that has gone into regaining access to this site, jumping through a few more hoops on the potential diggers part would not be too much effort, they are easy enough to get through!!
Quote from: mulucaver on October 07, 2013, 11:33:49 amThe DCA website says "New sites should be given a name and added to the survey." There is no mention of having to apply to Natural England. Perhaps it should be modified to make it clear.Maybe it should, but I'd have thought everyone knows these days to contact NE for consent?
Quote from: mmilner on October 07, 2013, 03:37:16 pmQuote from: mulucaver on October 07, 2013, 11:33:49 amThe DCA website says "New sites should be given a name and added to the survey." There is no mention of having to apply to Natural England. Perhaps it should be modified to make it clear.Maybe it should, but I'd have thought everyone knows these days to contact NE for consent?I wouldn't mind betting most don't or don't even give it a thought and even those that do know won't necessarily apply.
I guess that was what started it all but, no, I'm talking about old digs that date to before the SSSI.
Am I missing something here? Anyone wishing to dig needs to gain consent from the relevant landowner or manager; the site being in a SSSI then that person will be aware of need to gain consent from NE and will either request it or request that the diggers get it themselves. Where on earth is the room for confusion?
Quote from: graham on October 07, 2013, 08:01:48 pmAm I missing something here? Anyone wishing to dig needs to gain consent from the relevant landowner or manager; the site being in a SSSI then that person will be aware of need to gain consent from NE and will either request it or request that the diggers get it themselves. Where on earth is the room for confusion?Yes, you were missing something. Are you confused now?
And are you offering to help with the digging Graham?
I'd like to suggest that any agreements made for cave access are published in full on the DCA website so that cavers can see exactly what their obligations are.
The signing in book is still unusably soggy. Looks like its been put back into its bag whilst damp and just stayed that way. Pete Mellors is aware and is hoping to take a new book up there in next few weeks. J
It's important that people use the log book as part of the access agreement so please make every effort to locate it.
Quote from: EwanCameron on March 03, 2014, 08:13:02 pmIt's important that people use the log book as part of the access agreement so please make every effort to locate it.Just out of interest (never been so obviously never looked into access at this particular site), why is it so important that people use a log book, what is achieved by this task?
Its no great ball ache so why question it if it keeps all parties happy. Simple!
Quote from: Big Jim on May 20, 2014, 07:05:25 pmIts no great ball ache so why question it if it keeps all parties happy. Simple!Like I said, I've never been and have no knowledge of the access situation. So without spending time searching for an answer I thought I'd ask here, as it seemed like a quick, simple and perfectly reasonable question to ask. I still don't understand what it acheives, but it's what the landowner wants so be it.