Author Topic: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?  (Read 1040 times)

Offline PeteHall

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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2018, 05:48:51 pm »
High Time in Charterhouse has reflective markers to guide the route, with a few bits of tape marking specific features.

(It is also in Charterhouse where I have seen dive line used instead of tape)
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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2018, 07:18:26 pm »
Which is a sensible compromise.

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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2018, 09:49:22 pm »
But, I would rather see polished rocks then loads of red and white tape protecting said rocks. Delicate mud and calcite formations I understand, but rocks, you really tape off rocks? All you do in this situation is increase the wear on one point and make it even more slippery and muddied and horrible on the route that everyone uses, focusing the destruction to one point, where as it would have been if it was spread out a bit and not be any where near as visible as the whole passage look similar. What you do end up with is basically one long show cave when you tape everything and a complete lack of sense of you being in a wild cave (or a building site, which is another image that comes to mind).

We obviously look at the entrance of OFD2 in different ways - to me it's a horrible polished mess that's far less wild than the moor outside :P and it can't possibly get any more polished... I'm sure there are wild parts of OFD but I'm not sure I've travelled in any yet. I've seen them - above me, below me, or through tiny spaces.

The reflectors in the Time Machine don't stop you going all over the passage, and Charterhouse is leader led?

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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2018, 09:58:25 pm »
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and Charterhouse is leader led?
Yes it is.

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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2018, 10:22:10 pm »
The reflectors in the Time Machine don't stop you going all over the passage
No they don't, but neither does tape which still relies on the caver acting responsibly and not crossing it. The purpose of marking routes, by whatever means, is to guide cavers through the path of least destruction, rather than to act as a barrier. Some methods are more obvious and may be better suited to easily accessible areas, visited by many inexperienced cavers. Other methods are more sympathetic to the natural environment, but require more care from passing cavers and are perhaps better suited to more remote areas where traffic will be less frequent and more experienced.


and Charterhouse is leader led?
Yes (as John has confirmed). I guess that as above, you would expect a higher level of awareness and care as a result of the leader, hence a less intrusive marking system is appropriate.
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Re: To tape or not to tape, that is the question?
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2018, 08:41:30 am »
One of the better discussion from a few years ago, take your time to read it :-)

https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=16892.0

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