Has Facebook Won ?
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The Old Ruminator
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Facebook link to last nights video.
www.facebook.com
Looks odd in Russian or something but works for me.
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Looks odd in Russian or something but works for me.
The Old Ruminator
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My one remaining collectors forum is having a tidy up.
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FORUM MEMBERSHIP - INACTIVE MEMBERS
After consultation between the forum administrators it has been agreed that we should now start removing inactive memberships.
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I'm sure you will all recall when you read the forum rules on joining that inactive memberships can pose threat to the forums security by those members having their emails or identities 'hacked' etc.
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If you need to remind yourself of this or any of the other forum rules they are always available via the 'Terms of Service' tab at the bottom of the forum home page.
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The first tranche of 'removals' will be those that have not logged into their forum account for at least five or more years and have not contributed to the forum by way of any posts.
This will be subject to review to see if we need to reduce it to less than five years but we will of course advise if that becomes necessary.
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Obviously, if you are reading this post then you have no need to worry!!
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The purpose for making this announcement is to make you aware and if you notice a sudden drop in membership in the forum statistics box at the bottom of the page this will be the reason.
We do have a very effective 'anti spammer' programme which works by identifying ISP addresses of known spammers and we still have some restrictions on a few
email providers due to past issues but what we do not have is an automatic system of removing the threat posed by 'Inactive Members'.
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As an aside, the 'raison d'etre' of this or any other forum for that matter is for its members not only to be informed but to contribute and participate.
Those contributions no matter how small are always welcome provided they are within the forum rules.
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It should also be noted that should any of those removed members wish to come back they will be welcome but will have to undergo the normal, simple registration process again.
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FORUM MEMBERSHIP - INACTIVE MEMBERS
After consultation between the forum administrators it has been agreed that we should now start removing inactive memberships.
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I'm sure you will all recall when you read the forum rules on joining that inactive memberships can pose threat to the forums security by those members having their emails or identities 'hacked' etc.
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If you need to remind yourself of this or any of the other forum rules they are always available via the 'Terms of Service' tab at the bottom of the forum home page.
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The first tranche of 'removals' will be those that have not logged into their forum account for at least five or more years and have not contributed to the forum by way of any posts.
This will be subject to review to see if we need to reduce it to less than five years but we will of course advise if that becomes necessary.
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Obviously, if you are reading this post then you have no need to worry!!
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The purpose for making this announcement is to make you aware and if you notice a sudden drop in membership in the forum statistics box at the bottom of the page this will be the reason.
We do have a very effective 'anti spammer' programme which works by identifying ISP addresses of known spammers and we still have some restrictions on a few
email providers due to past issues but what we do not have is an automatic system of removing the threat posed by 'Inactive Members'.
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As an aside, the 'raison d'etre' of this or any other forum for that matter is for its members not only to be informed but to contribute and participate.
Those contributions no matter how small are always welcome provided they are within the forum rules.
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It should also be noted that should any of those removed members wish to come back they will be welcome but will have to undergo the normal, simple registration process again.
JAA
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One thing I have noticed from social media notably Instagram is how successful student caving seems to be at the moment! My Insta feed is full of freshers fairs, try caving trips, student trips away! Maybe the enthusiasm and adventure comes across better in photographs for someone who has never ventured underground?
I love paper journals and would hate to see them cease to exist, I’ve been sat engrossed in old CDG newsletters for the last few nights getting the background info on some projects, but it’s great to see how new media seems to be encouraging and showcasing a really active student caving scene! Long may that continue!
I love paper journals and would hate to see them cease to exist, I’ve been sat engrossed in old CDG newsletters for the last few nights getting the background info on some projects, but it’s great to see how new media seems to be encouraging and showcasing a really active student caving scene! Long may that continue!
Pitlamp
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Student caving did OK long before the internet came along. Read the magnificent series of ULSA Reviews, for example. (There are many other examples.) But the typical student age group of today does use Facebook (etc) a lot, so if it helps this generation, then great. But will a full record of this generation's contribution to caving still be easily available to cavers in a few decades time, if it relies on Facebook?
As I suggested above, the best situation is a combination of electronic media and permanent paper publications.
There is another problem which no-one's mentioned (unless I've missed it). The immediacy and convenience of Facebook posts often leads to them being hurried and they may not be that well thought out. (There are exceptions to this generalisation, of course.) If information is submitted to a proper journal (whether electronic or paper) then good editing often occurs, ironing out poor spelling & grammar, removing ambiguity and reconciling facts with other sources (either already published or within the same draft journal). The result, although you may have to wait for it, may then be much more reliable as an information source than Facebook posts.
As I suggested above, the best situation is a combination of electronic media and permanent paper publications.
There is another problem which no-one's mentioned (unless I've missed it). The immediacy and convenience of Facebook posts often leads to them being hurried and they may not be that well thought out. (There are exceptions to this generalisation, of course.) If information is submitted to a proper journal (whether electronic or paper) then good editing often occurs, ironing out poor spelling & grammar, removing ambiguity and reconciling facts with other sources (either already published or within the same draft journal). The result, although you may have to wait for it, may then be much more reliable as an information source than Facebook posts.
jasonbirder
Member
Even if you only read it...and didn't comment on it?
pwhole
Well-known member
As a caving club forum moderator I do find it frustrating that our own potential record of activities often gets forgotten - as we do own this, we have it for life, whereas facebook is somewhat more ephemeral. I'm not on facebook so I tend to use the forum exclusively, but it does get overlooked. Many trips only get arranged on facebook (or WhatsApp), so the members not on either are usually oblivious until it's too late.
Sid
Member
Polite reminder of this fine log collection https://www.mcra.org.uk/logbooks/
andrewmcleod
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The youngsters don't seem to use FB as much now; for example all the EUSS stuff is mostly happening on Discord and WhatsApp these days...
2xw
Active member
Individual paper journals and club websites are long lived but not as accessible. The BCL is an excellent resource but does require manpower which the journals will outlast. Ben Bentham wrote on paper but where is it now?
Perhaps it's time we started fully digitising all of these journals and making them free and open access*
*Sure, charge a fee for printed stuff etc but maybe make it available after 5 years as a free digital copy
Perhaps it's time we started fully digitising all of these journals and making them free and open access*
*Sure, charge a fee for printed stuff etc but maybe make it available after 5 years as a free digital copy
pwhole
Well-known member
I think some may be in the Chapel Library, and I suspect some is in past Derbyshire Caver issues (DCA Newsletters) too, many of which are now available to download:
The Derbyshire Caver
The Derbyshire Caver is published by the DCA and the subscription for 4 issues posted to you is £15.00. Price £3.75 a copy including postage direct from DCA (email publications@thedca.org.uk ) or sold…
thedca.org.uk
There's some good stuff in our Library, though it can take some digging out. I once found a tiny sketch on brown wrapping paper, no bigger than a box of Swan matches, which I recognised instantly as the plan view of Longcliffe Mine, in its 1943 heyday. There's also a letter from Trevor Ford to (I think) Les Salmon, saying that they were both in big trouble, as the Speedwell management had found out they were using bang in the Lower Bung Streamway on a night trip, as all the smoke had blown back up the Near Canal and it was completely filled up, ready for the guides in the morning when it opened - so you know who to blame
Pitlamp
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Real (paper) journals are accessible. As a club librarian I often get requests from members (and sometimes non members) and usually manage to make copies for them in response, fairly quickly.
People who have a good overview of the caving literature (such as club librarians) can often point folk at useful references in a way that a database search may not work for. (Don't get me wrong; obviously searchable databases are extremely useful!)
Mary Wilde, the BCA Librarian, is an absolute treasure. She'll scan stuff for you from our national caving library.
It really isn't that difficult to get at stuff.
People who have a good overview of the caving literature (such as club librarians) can often point folk at useful references in a way that a database search may not work for. (Don't get me wrong; obviously searchable databases are extremely useful!)
Mary Wilde, the BCA Librarian, is an absolute treasure. She'll scan stuff for you from our national caving library.
It really isn't that difficult to get at stuff.
2xw
Active member
Can you do me some stuff tonight before I go caving tomorrow? It's accessible for sure, but not as accessible as it could be if you have to send a ponderous enquiry to be answered by somewhat stretched volunteers. Making this relate to the original thread, Facebook has its drawbacks but it is instant, isn't it?
I don't really see why we can't have both! There would seem to me to be little difference between scanning single items on a request basis and scanning the whole lot... especially if you just make it orderly at the point of production
alanw
Well-known member
And totally co-incidentally, see the post I've just made over in "Wezzit": A link to an image no longer works because the host where it was stored on the Facebook Content Delivery Network no longer resolves in DNS
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?threads/wezzit.10956/post-366177
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?threads/wezzit.10956/post-366177
The Old Ruminator
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I am getting a load of religious spam from our local Facebook Buy and Sell Group and just cant stop it. This sort of thing will kill off the likes of Facebook.
