BCA AGM 11th June 2023 - details

BCA Chair

Member
Details of the BCA AGM to be held on 11th June by Zoom can be found at this link:

Of particular note is the need for volunteers as outlined in my previous post https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?threads/state-of-play-in-the-bca.30589/ but now becoming clearer as positions become/are vacant. It is not just the key positions where we are seeking to fill but also volunteers who are willing to help "behind the scenes" so to speak and maybe reluctant to take on a front facing position; please make contact if you are interested.
Russell Myers
Chair
BCA
 

Benfool

Member
Could we get the minutes from the 2022 AGM? They're still not available on the website.

The constitution says they have to be made available to the membership no later than 6 weeks after the meeting. I seem to remember a similar thing happening for the 2021 AGM minutes....
 

JoshW

Well-known member
Aware that you’re stepping down from IT this year (thanks for all your hard work over the last few years - and particularly for supporting me!).

Is the view that uploading minutes to the website will continue to be the responsibility of the IT manager? A little surprised it falls under your remit at all to be honest.
 

aricooperdavis

Moderator
Well in September 2021 I told the executive I needed to step down to focus on my PhD but would stay in post until a replacement could be found. At some point I will have to step away more forcefully, but it would be a shame to have to do. Very happy to have helped, thank you souch for all the excellent work you did in Y&D!

I've now given Mary (paid staff) instructions on how to upload documents, so I think this job has been handed over. I'd better check that we are both on the same page though!
 

BCA Chair

Member
Reminder of the BCA AGM being held this Sunday 11th June 10.30 am on Zoom and being streamed live on Facebook. Details at this link


Russell Myers
Chair BCA
 

aricooperdavis

Moderator
Please note, following the BCA's 2023 AGM there will be no online ballot of the BCA membership, as there were no elections or motions on which to vote. You can watch a recording of the livestream by following the link above.
 

JoshW

Well-known member
Well at least I could make myself some tea whilst listening in to it, yikes.

One positive bit of news in there being someone to take on the Y and D mantle. Have had a chat with them and I’m preparing handover notes for them (or whoever the successful applicant may be) for the end of this month 👍🏼
 

GarDouth

Administrator
It is so sad to see the national body for our beloved sport in such a state. As others have said, it is important to have a national body for all sorts of reasons and it would be good to have one to be proud of. I've tried to decide what the problem actually is and I suspect it's several things but speaking from my own experience I know that lots of good people have tried to help in recent years and simply get hounded out by those who've been there forever, won't leave and won't accept change. During my time it was nothing but a toxic environment and that may well be different now however that legacy is going to be hard to shake off.

As is now evident, the pool of available good people who want to make things better has now run out.

So what's the answer? I don't really know but I believe those who have been involved know who the problem people are and they just need to be got rid of (or realise they are the problem) if the organisation is every likely to attract people. Two things that have been massively under appreciated in BCA is IT and PR. Both of which are absolutely critical in modernising things but are almost always side lined.

The BCA should be leading the way in British caving and instead it's just an embarrassment. 😔
 

LadyMud

Active member
Sounds like the BCA is slowly dying off (or maybe not slowly).
Is this what happened with the National Caving Association 20 years ago?
 

GarDouth

Administrator
Every single organisation I've ever been involved with has had the same problem at one time or another - a reluctance to change. New people bring new ideas and they MUST be embraced and not brushed aside because "that's not how we've always done it". Those people need to get their head out of the sand and understand that the world around them has changed and stop being so damn obsessed with tradition and procedure instead of working for the good of the members.
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
The National Caving Association morphed into the BCA. It didn't die off it was changed and reborn. However, quite a lot of baggage came with it which is still there.
 

Cavematt

Well-known member
Ari, your perseverance with the BCA is extremely admirable, and sorry to see that you are still stuck with the BCA IT role in the absence of volunteers. You have done a great job and I'm sure you will continue to do so.

Also really glad to hear we have another Y&D officer coming forward too. Thank you to Josh for your efforts in this over recent years, I have heard many younger cavers speak very highly of your involvement.

As sympathetic as I am with the belief that attendance was low due to the good weather, and a continued fallout from Covid, I feel several other reasons have not really been addressed:

Firstly, the communications about the AGM (and many of the vacant roles) were a little muted, but probably fulfilled requirements. Secondly, engagement between BCA and its members over the last few years has also been fairly limited, such that most cavers have developed disinterest (the last newsletter was three years ago). Thirdly, many cavers saw how the efforts to reinvigorate and modernise the organisation in 2019-2020 were thwarted by a small but potent handful of individuals, with memory of that still being fresh in the mind of those who might consider volunteering.

What happened in 2019 (a really well attended AGM with a massive influx of enthusiastic volunteers) demonstrated that there really is passion to support our National Body from across the caving world (clubs, individuals, young, old). However, the several months that followed showed how much our National Body fails to take advantage of that kind of enthusiasm.

Where does the BCA go from here? In terms of delivering on the housekeeping duties such as providing insurance as a membership benefit, administering membership and money and dishing out cash to projects and regional councils, it is doing fine, and has already taken pre-emptive steps towards more paid employees to deliver on these functions in the absence of sufficient volunteers. I respect the BCA’s forward planning on that one. Several other functions of the BCA continue to go well too. Overall, I cannot fault the delivery of most housekeeping duties, and hats off to the volunteers who have continued to deliver on these despite the high workload.

But what about the functions of a National Body that are best delivered by volunteer cavers in response to evolving situations? These are the areas the BCA will struggle to fulfil with limited volunteers. For example, continuing to lobby for caving to be recognised and promoted in future countryside access initiatives. Given the potential for a change in Government next year, now is the right time to start laying out our table. Will the BCA have the volunteers to be all over this kind of thing like a rash?

Getting new volunteers into a stagnant organisation is challenging, but transforming a stagnant organisation needs volunteers, so it’s a chicken and egg situation. The BCA lost a great opportunity to break this deadlock in 2019-2020 and it needs to learn from that.

To their credit, BCA has changed a lot since then and I get the impression that it is more harmonious at the moment. The reduction in the size of Council and the movement away from under-attended Standing Committees is a good start to avoid progress getting filibustered with excessive ‘democracy’ (which seems like a strange thing to be saying, but believe me, this was a serious problem).

The focus for this year needs to be on communicating with the members, reminding them what BCA does for caving, what aspirations it has for the future, and persuading people to come in and be part of that. Most importantly, if individuals do come forward saying “hey why don’t we do this differently?” the BCA must show that it can be open minded even if the new ideas challenge established procedures.

If the BCA does not step up their game at reminding cavers why they, as an organisation, are important, there is a risk that future increases in membership fees to pay more staff (no matter how cheap this remains by National Body standards) will risk more people deciding to not join, and in the worst case, some clubs deciding to step away, which may be the top of a very bad slippery slope. This is a real risk particularly as the insurance is no longer a requirement for lots of access these days (particularly up north). Back in 2019 the BCA was lucky enough to get the best Publications and Information Officer it has probably ever had who made it her mission to showcase what BCA offers to cavers. Sadly, she was treated very badly and left. Getting an enthusiastic and proactive PR/P&I person involved again is essential.

Fingers crossed things will improve and next year the BCA will have done enough to tempt back the volunteers it needs to deliver on so many more fronts. I would love to see BCA thriving and successful, because British Caving needs a strong and proactive national body.

Good luck and thank you to everyone who is currently doing their best to make a difference.
 

Pegasus

Administrator
Staff member
Surely BCA cannot be thinking of increasing membership fees when it has hundreds of thousands of cavers' money in the bank, which with recent high inflation is devaluing merrily as I type.

That money should be being spent on the future of caving (especially younger cavers). BCA are not the only organisation sat on thousands of pounds which are losing value at a frightening rate.
 

aricooperdavis

Moderator
I haven't heard any suggestion of raising membership fees from within the BCA, but I can see Cavematt's point that it's a possible consequence of losing motivated volunteers. I echo his hopes that there are cavers out there who see the BCA's struggles as an opportunity to get involved and mould it into the national body that they want it to be.
 
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