royfellows
Well-known member
Just idle speculation, does Linda Wilson have a son?
BCA legal officer - Linda Wilson? Really?
- Thread starter NewStuff
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The questioning of Linda Wilson's suitability is the matter under consideration, Roy. And whether that specific issue should be debated publicly or solely within council. What has been doing the rounds, and which seems to have ended up here in the public domain, was written in December, well after the October meeting, for internal consideration. Sad. A discussion of Linda Wilson's suitability was NOT minuted in October - only the various options for taking the Legal role forward. The "W" in my name is not short for Wilson. :royfellows said:BradW said:
its you thats helping to keep it going. Thread subject was in the the minutes of the October meeting of the BCA Council, or have I missed something. Where does 'leaked reports' fit into it, its getting like the Trump dossier.
PeteHall
Moderator
The leaked document BradW refers to is without doubt an email circulated to BCA Council prior to the January meeting. This was one of several representations on the subject of this thread that were discussed by the council.
As ever, when the minutes are published on the BCA website we will have a clear record of proceedings.
For those who want the inside story a few weeks sooner, there are several positions on the council looking for volunteers to fill them (and none of them have anything to do with CRoW)
As ever, when the minutes are published on the BCA website we will have a clear record of proceedings.
For those who want the inside story a few weeks sooner, there are several positions on the council looking for volunteers to fill them (and none of them have anything to do with CRoW)
Ship-badger
Member
Graham Mullen?? :-\
The tone does sound a bit like Graham. I'm not convinced though.
The tone does sound a bit like Graham. I'm not convinced though.
royfellows
Well-known member
Nice ones from Newstuff and Droid.
On another note, you will have to bear with me a bit on this, I know that sometimes I can talk in riddles.
If you are ever unfortunate enough to get into a card game with a professional card sharp you will get dealt cards off the bottom of the deck.
You wont see it, he will be too good, but the trained ear will hear the faint click.
You will hit this in life, "The cheques in the post", "I cant come out because I'm washing my hair". These are the obvious ones.
It takes the trained ear to hear the more subtle clicks.
You get to hear the clicks when you read through something, but none in Jenny's postings.
On another note, you will have to bear with me a bit on this, I know that sometimes I can talk in riddles.
If you are ever unfortunate enough to get into a card game with a professional card sharp you will get dealt cards off the bottom of the deck.
You wont see it, he will be too good, but the trained ear will hear the faint click.
You will hit this in life, "The cheques in the post", "I cant come out because I'm washing my hair". These are the obvious ones.
It takes the trained ear to hear the more subtle clicks.
You get to hear the clicks when you read through something, but none in Jenny's postings.
alastairgott
Well-known member
BradW said:
i'm of the thinking that this thread would have died a death long ago if you didn't keep stirring it.
And really the only things which you might construe to have potentially sensitive overtones are:
1) a freedom of information request.
2) NCA minutes freely available from the BCA library.
3) The potential Co-opting of a member of the BCA to Council.
The plain reality is that all of this is or should be Free information. If you, Sir, are suggesting for one second that ANY of this should be kept secret, then I suggest you take a hard look at yourself.
People like flinging Sh'' around, and there seems to be more ammo about right now.
But I also don't like personal attacks.
There needs to be an amnesty on Personal attacks on people who donate their time to National, regional or Cave Access bodies.
I would urge anyone that has received any personal attacks whilst performing their duties, speak out now.
NewStuff
New member
alastairgott said:
Just to Clarify - This is not a personal attack. I'm not known for beating around the bush, if I were to make things personal I'd be banned in very short order.
I understand volunteers are thin on the ground, however, given the magnitude of the shenanigans that have occurred and seem to continue unabated, then something needs to get sorted out. You can't have an amnesty when someone is fundamentally undermining the organisation they are nominally working *for*.
It has been, and should be again, noted that the others complicit in this deserve to be brought under the same scrutiny as well, this was not just the work of a lone person.
I agree with you Alastair. All of this is correct. The three items you identify are fine for general awareness. What is not fine is allowing the personal attacks seen here to go unhindered bearing in mind who could so easily have stepped in and done something, and knowing full well that the matter was something that by any good moral standards should be limited to council, in view of the personal nature of the matter.alastairgott said:
Simon Wilson
New member
NewStuff said:
Quite right.
The nearest thing to a personal attack or questioning the integrity of a volunteer worker was made by BradW against Jenny Potts. There has been unpleasantness and inflammatory language used and that was mainly by, or centred on, BradW. Apart from BradW, the discussion about Linda Wilson has been on the whole quite reasonable and fair.
Linda Wilson offered herself for a role in the BCA acting as a stand-in for a legal officer. By doing that she invited scrutiny of her suitability for the role and would fully have expected her integrity and actions to be questioned. And for that to be done by BCA members on the main UK caving forum.
So please do not give Linda Wilson a break and do hold her to account. Please also hold to account the others in the small group that have been conducting their 'dirty tricks campaign'. Some might call that a witch-hunt but it is not; it is perfectly reasonable and fully warranted and is democracy in action.
Pitlamp
Well-known member
Speaking in a purely disinterested way (as I'm genuinely not involved) - this topic is making me ponder on whether it might be preferable for BCA to have it's own forum for such business, accessible by password, so that BCA business can be discussed solely by BCA members. This would avoid the waters being unnecessarily muddied by non members' involvement - and gets round the problem that certain BCA members are evidently banned from this forum, so can't be involved or defend themselves.
The last thing I'd want to do is encourage traffic away from this valuable UKCaving forum - but in this particular type of discussion it seems better for BCA business to be dealt with by BCA members, with accessibility to all BCA members. (My "edit" alluded to below is merely tidying up typos etc.)
Meanwhile, the snowdrops are out and the forecast for the weekend is better.
Keep a sense of proportion folks.
The last thing I'd want to do is encourage traffic away from this valuable UKCaving forum - but in this particular type of discussion it seems better for BCA business to be dealt with by BCA members, with accessibility to all BCA members. (My "edit" alluded to below is merely tidying up typos etc.)
Meanwhile, the snowdrops are out and the forecast for the weekend is better.
Keep a sense of proportion folks.
mch
Member
Pitlamp said:
I have to disagree with you on this one Pitlamp. I think that the input of non-BCA members such as NewStuff provides a useful perspective. Public debate on BCA activities ensures transparency which could be jeopardised by the use of a BCA-only forum.
I shall now check the bottom of our garden to see if the snowdrops have yet emerged.
Pitlamp - I expect most people who post on here are BCA members. Worth remembering that BCA is the national governing body for caving (and mine exploration) in the UK. Therefore in that sense they represent all cavers and not just those who are members. BCA council meets just four times a year to discuss and deal with a great number of caving issues. We have discussed several times that there is a large disconnect between BCA council and ordinary cavers and places like Ukcaving are one of a few places where voices can be heard. This particular thread has already had 10,500 views and I guess that means a lot of people are interested in it. And, of course, BCA already have a forum - it's just that no one uses it, and if they did who is to say that those same individuals wouldn't be banned for breach of rules from there?
Alastair -
Alastair -
Where do you want me to start...
alastairgott
Well-known member
Let me be clear, I have not been subject to any personal attacks.
It's the people who cannot speak out that I feel for. There has been so much change and recent developments that I fear some members of our community may be under attack for the way they are dealing with matters. I don't think it's useful or helpful and needs to be stopped, otherwise there isn't a hope in hell of making the sport/hobby appealing whilst personal attacks are flying around in the background.
On the whole, Badlad, I think you can level with and Rise above the attacks you receive. Although it does give you a blow, obviously.
It's the people who cannot speak out that I feel for. There has been so much change and recent developments that I fear some members of our community may be under attack for the way they are dealing with matters. I don't think it's useful or helpful and needs to be stopped, otherwise there isn't a hope in hell of making the sport/hobby appealing whilst personal attacks are flying around in the background.
On the whole, Badlad, I think you can level with and Rise above the attacks you receive. Although it does give you a blow, obviously.
Madness
New member
Pitlamp said:
Linda Wilson isn't banned from this forum and was logged on last night. She has remained quiet on the matter, read into that what you will. We should give her the chance to put her version of events forward without subjecting her to any personal attacks.
As for BradW - I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.
