Car damage at Jug Holes/Masson parking
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Brains
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On the 7th May I had a trip into Masson. It was a busy day with parking at a premium. A woman in a black Suzuki stopped to berate one of our friends, generally being a Karen. I took a photo of her car, but I didn't get a good look at her. Despite everyone being well parked she was having a good rant about farm vehicles getting by, and being on the local council member.
On returning home I mailed the DCA as a heads up and thought no more of it...
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On returning home I mailed the DCA as a heads up and thought no more of it...
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LarryFatcat
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I took a look on Google Earth Street View and believe that this car may have been opposite the entrance to the track- (not that this condones vandalism). As most, if not all, cavers know, you should not park opposite or in the track entrance- see https://peakdistrictcaving.info/home/the-caves/derwent-south/jug-holes
We were here 16th of this month to have a walk to heights of Abraham and back via the footpath at devonshire.
On route back past the quarry we could tell there was a lot of commotion going on.
Turns out it was a dry tooling event which was advertised online. After more research it looks like this wasn't a bmc event so maybe the landowners wasn't contacted?
When we got back to the road, I joke you not, it was the worst I've saw Parking there in the last 3 years or more! Literally cars were having to pass half way down the hill due to so many cars.
If this is the case it's no wonder they are kicking off. Shame about cars being vandalised though that's not on at all!
U.K.M.E
On route back past the quarry we could tell there was a lot of commotion going on.
Turns out it was a dry tooling event which was advertised online. After more research it looks like this wasn't a bmc event so maybe the landowners wasn't contacted?
When we got back to the road, I joke you not, it was the worst I've saw Parking there in the last 3 years or more! Literally cars were having to pass half way down the hill due to so many cars.
If this is the case it's no wonder they are kicking off. Shame about cars being vandalised though that's not on at all!
U.K.M.E
alastairgott
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I’m sure they know cavers cars vs climbers cars. A trip of a reasonable number of cavers in a reasonable number of cars parked reasonably shouldn’t attract any attention. 1 person per car on a trip of 8 would attract attention but could be done in 2 cars?
Tangent_tracker
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I find it easy to walk up tbh... It's just a pain to recover rope and kit but you could leave a brave soul in the car to counter any angry councilours or farm wives!!
LarryFatcat
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Parked there a couple of times in the last week without bother- most people should be able to work out what is courteous parking and what is not.
Pete K
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A bit of an update on the DCA Registry:
www.peakdistrictcaving.info
In short, it is as Larry suggests above. Park considerately on the lane and expect some aggro if you park on or opposite the farm turning area or reduce the space for large farm vehicles driving up the road. The passing place signs are advisory only (Council). The no parking signs are not Council and have no legal standing, but landowner relations are very important here if access is to be maintained to the sites in the area.
DCA are still in talks with BMC so cavers and climbers can take a common approach and are working from the same info.
Derwent South : Jug Holes : Details
Locations: Peak District, Location: Derbyshire, Location: Staffordshire, Caves, Mines, Potholes, Caving, Potholing, Guides, Surveys, Speleology, Hydrology
www.peakdistrictcaving.info
DCA are still in talks with BMC so cavers and climbers can take a common approach and are working from the same info.
242jane
New member
Thanks for the update, Looking at taking a small group up there one evening this month, if there are going to be more than a couple of cars I will suggest we meet in Matlock and car share from there and park very sensibly when we get there.A bit of an update on the DCA Registry:
In short, it is as Larry suggests above. Park considerately on the lane and expect some aggro if you park on or opposite the farm turning area or reduce the space for large farm vehicles driving up the road. The passing place signs are advisory only (Council). The no parking signs are not Council and have no legal standing, but landowner relations are very important here if access is to be maintained to the sites in the area.Derwent South : Jug Holes : Details
Locations: Peak District, Location: Derbyshire, Location: Staffordshire, Caves, Mines, Potholes, Caving, Potholing, Guides, Surveys, Speleology, Hydrology
DCA are still in talks with BMC so cavers and climbers can take a common approach and are working from the same info.
LarryFatcat
Active member
BMC advice- not as informed as Pete's above about passing places https://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/rad/view.aspx?id=3845
LarryFatcat
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I disagree, Pete says "The passing place signs are advisory only (Council). The no parking signs are not Council"- if u can't park in passing places as the BMC says "Do not park in spaces on the road marked as passing places." you'd be parking in Matlock
Pete K
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Yeah, that's me saying that not DCA! Main thing is not to piss off the locals, or we all suffer. Park sensibly as if you had a million quid motor and your paintwork and mirrors depended on an HGV getting up the lane and turning into the farm. This'll hopefully all calm down soon enough, but we want cavers to not be seen as the issue here.
Tangent_tracker
Active member
We parked up there yesterday, sticking to the designated areas and were fine. I noticed a number of climbers were parked in the 'passing point' signs (which I find highly questionable).