CaveMaps - Moving to CNCC Hosting

mountainpenguin · Apr 5, 2026

the https url is broken
curl -v https://cavemaps.org
* Host cavemaps.org:443 was resolved.
* IPv6: (none)
* IPv4: 167.235.126.32
* Trying 167.235.126.32:443...
* Connected to cavemaps.org (167.235.126.32) port 443
* ALPN: curl offers h2,http/1.1
* (304) (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* CAfile: /etc/ssl/cert.pem
* CApath: none
* Recv failure: Connection reset by peer
* LibreSSL/3.3.6: error:02FFF036:system library:func(4095):Connection reset by peer
* Closing connection
curl: (35) Recv failure: Connection reset by peer

The http version loads but the maps page is currently broken. (blank page due to a 404)
Hopefully this is the right place to note this ?

langcliffe · Apr 5, 2026

I don't think that it ever supported the HTTPS protocol. It seems to work as well as it ever did.

mountainpenguin · Apr 5, 2026

langcliffe said:
I don't think that it ever supported the HTTPS protocol. It seems to work as well as it ever did.

the map page http://cavemaps.org/default.htm doesn't load (blank map) at all for me is that expected (safari and Vivaldi)?
as per https connection reset by peer is different to a connection refused (i.e. not listening) just wondering if that's a side effect of migration

langcliffe · Apr 5, 2026

mountainpenguin said:
the map page http://cavemaps.org/default.htm doesn't load (blank map) at all for me is that expected (safari and Vivaldi)?
as per https connection reset by peer is different to a connection refused (i.e. not listening) just wondering if that's a side effect of migration

This is the link I've been using for the last decade or so:

http://cavemaps.org/index.htm

I don't think the migration has happened yet.

Badlad · Apr 5, 2026

The original site works for me.

The move to a new CNCC site is later in the year. According to the OP that is.

CNCC · Apr 6, 2026

Correct, the new site is in the final phase of development. It will next go for testing with a small handful of volunteers, and a launch later in the year. We think you will be pretty pleased with the outcome

mikebooth76 · Apr 7, 2026

I can't download the nc1.kml files from cavemaps.org. Error 404.3 Not Found. Any ideas anyone?

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alanw · Apr 7, 2026

Yes -

Code:

HTTP Error 404.3 - Not Found

for me too, although 403 is actually "Forbidden"

Anyway, in the meantime, find the copies I downloaded ages ago here

mikebooth76 · Apr 7, 2026

Thanks for that.
Just for interest this is the message from my browser (firefox)

HTTP Error 404.3 - Not Found

The page you are requesting cannot be served because of the extension configuration. If the page is a script, add a handler. If the file should be downloaded, add a MIME map.

mountainpenguin · Apr 11, 2026

Badlad said:
The original site works for me.

The move to a new CNCC site is later in the year. According to the OP that is.

Most of the original is fine but if you follow the menu link to map
you get a blank page
I think this is down to upgrades to https / something no longer connected on the google side

[Info] Promoted URL from http://maps.google.com/maps?file=ap...1cl3vvWtz7hwTOd2xT29uZPfT4qtqRUyIuRxB7tUuoW4w to https (default.htm, line 10)
[Error] Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 403 (Forbidden) (base.css, line 0)
[Info] Promoted URL from http://maps.google.com/maps?file=ap...1cl3vvWtz7hwTOd2xT29uZPfT4qtqRUyIuRxB7tUuoW4w to https
[Error] Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () (maps, line 0)

CNCC · Monday at 10:24 PM

After six months of development (and over 100 hours of work by our Web Administrator), the new CaveMaps site is now live:

Cave surveys for Northern England and Scotland.

Search and download free cave surveys for Northern England and Scotland. Thousands of cave surveys, free to download.

cavemaps.uk

You can read all about it in the following news article:

The future of CaveMaps - New site now live!

CNCC is delighted to present cavemaps.uk - the redeveloped and new-look online cave survey site for northern England and Scotland.

cncc.org.uk

However, if that's too long, here's a summary...

This is the culmination of 20 years of work by many people.
The new site is cavemaps.uk but the original cavemaps.org will forward.
Hundreds of new surveys have been added as part of the redevelopment.
Integrated into CNCC's website for click-through links to surveys from our cave info pages.
Intuitive interface and search which mirrors the look and categorisation of the original site.
Site should work on modern browsers and is fully mobile-device compatible.
Display surveys on-screen or download as image or PDF document.
New online system to allow contributors to upload surveys.

This is a brand new site, built from scratch, so there will inevitably be bugs/glitches; Please report them (and any suggestions for improvements, or any issues uploading surveys) to cavemaps@cncc.org.uk

jonnybellman · Tuesday at 11:22 AM

For me, the website does not load

alanw · Tuesday at 11:57 AM

jonnybellman said:
For me, the website does not load

It's working for me, although it's slow to load, though.

CNCC · Tuesday at 6:56 PM

jonnybellman said:
For me, the website does not load

Hi Jonnybellman - Can you confirm if this is still a problem, and if so drop us a PM so we can investigate?

CNCC · Tuesday at 6:57 PM

alanw said:
It's working for me, although it's slow to load, though.

Hi Alanw, yes, it did seem a little sluggish earlier, but so too did our own CNCC website, so we suspect a server issue. It seems to be running perfectly fine now but drop us a PM if it is still running slowly for you so we can investigate.

huwg · Tuesday at 8:42 PM

Works well for me. First impressions are pretty user friendly too, great stuff!

mountainpenguin · Wednesday at 11:40 AM

its brilliant well done.
Will the uk map with cave locations be making a comeback or have I missed a link ?

CNCC · Wednesday at 11:59 AM

mountainpenguin said:
its brilliant well done.
Will the uk map with cave locations be making a comeback or have I missed a link ?

Do you mean this...?

Cave Location Map

All the caves of our region on one interactive map!

cncc.org.uk

(From our main website, not CaveMaps, so it only includes caves within CNCC's database, but most of the major caves should be on there)?

snebbit · Wednesday at 2:14 PM

Fantastic new site, awesome work Gary and anyone else involved. Love that it links in from the registry entries on the CNCC site too.

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