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Clickbait bollocks

mrodoc

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Some individuals may have seen my comment that I needed to give my films more sensational titles if I wanted them watched. This link is to a classic example of the sort of nonsense you find on Youtube
. The death in question was over 60 years ago! Hardly any of the images are of the actual cave either! I have posted a comment as you can imagine.
 
Some of this stuff is insanely disrespectful to the dead - drawing the victims of Mossdale as cartoonish stick figures with bulging veins coming out of their foreheads, while telling their story like it’s some kind of horror fantasy story instead of a real life tragedy, all while reading off a chatgpt summary for cheap views; I hate it
 
I wonder what we can do as a caving community to change peoples perceptions.
This is why we're increasingly encouraging the creation, and sharing, of better, more accurate, less ragebait/shockbate/slop video caving content.

Our Youtube.

We've had some successes, particularly on Facebook Videos, and we're still plodding on with getting those Youtube and Tiktok video views up, so people can see what proper UK caving is like, rather than AI-slop, shockbait engagebait fiction.
 
The only caving video of mine that has a lot of hits is one of a dig in Smoo Cave. Turns out Fraser Eadie had put a link to it on his Smoo website!
This one has had less than 200 but I was quite pleased with it. There is an extended version somewhere but I cannot find it!
 
Some of this stuff is insanely disrespectful to the dead - drawing the victims of Mossdale as cartoonish stick figures with bulging veins coming out of their foreheads, while telling their story like it’s some kind of horror fantasy story instead of a real life tragedy, all while reading off a chatgpt summary for cheap views; I hate it
This was particularly dreadful as I was at the incident described.
 
At risk of creating a considered reply in a thread that's likely to be more of a (justified) whingefest, I thought it might be worth giving a considered answer to:
what can we do as a caving community to change people's perceptions?

Two things.
  1. Don't fight bad content.
  2. Make better content.
Arguing with shockbait just rewards it with attention. Spend that energy elsewhere.

The "elsewhere" is this: break the schema.

Everyone has a mental model of caving.

Tight spaces, stuck people, mud, panic.
Every time we post content that confirms that model, we've lost before anyone's read a word.

So make something incongruent.

The public expects claustrophobia.
Show them scale.

They expect suffering.
Show them laughing.

They expect young, fit blokes.
Show them a 67-year-old woman on a rope looking like she owns the place.

The moment someone thinks "wait, that's caving?" you've got them.

We've been working on this at The Caving Crew and there's no secret sauce:
  1. Centre the story around people having a good time. Real quotes, real reactions. The cave is the backdrop.
  2. Distil useful knowledge into short pieces. One idea, one post.
  3. Be deliberate about what you don't amplify. I very rarely feature tight spaces or low airspace. Heights? Those work. Someone on a rope in a big shaft looks dramatic. Someone wedged in a crack looks like a rescue.
  4. Hook first, always. "On Saturday we visited Bagshawe Cavern" loses to almost anything. Start with the moment that made someone laugh or the quote that made you think. You've got two seconds before they scroll past.
Photos of real people having fun do more work than any caption. Post them.
(No matter how good the stal is, unless you're amazing at taking photos, photos without humans are not that interesting - always try to include a caver.)

And honestly, we're figuring this out too. Some posts land, some don't.

But the direction feels right: tell stories about caving that aren't the story people expect.
 
I agree with the frustrations. When trying to research a cave, particularly for diving, the clickbait horror story rubbish is plentiful. Often superseding videos about the cave in question with other videos unrelated but that have more views due to sensationalised titles.

Making videos myself, I enjoy the process of filming and editing, and find each one gets a little better as I learn new techniques etc. The views I get are in the tens or hundreds, so they are never going viral, but I'd rather that, than sell out with a clickbaity title :D
 
Just so dangerous, total madness mate. Going to a cave at night is plain irresponsible, it'll be double dark in there!
The fools! Don't they know about eating carrots before going caving? And who are 'the guys' Mr Shano is always referring to - is there a whole bunch of them trying to fit into what looks like a very tiny space?
 
The fools! Don't they know about eating carrots before going caving? And who are 'the guys' Mr Shano is always referring to - is there a whole bunch of them trying to fit into what looks like a very tiny space?
Their identities are left vague to keep the viewer on the edge of their seat. Random shouts of "Shano is In!" Who knows.. will Mr Shano be back in another exciting episode spray painting some arrows in Giant's hole so nobody can get lost walking out from Garland's?
 
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