dougle89
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Ahh I pulled the single/multi trip policy doc!
It’s in there
Club members smoking drugs on trips out
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It’s in there
find a new club.
Scousecraigy
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I have dropped an email over to the BCA insurance email address. Let them deal with it. I am sure they will be extremely interested to understand why an organised group is allowing members to smoke drugs underground and certainly raises concerns that the group are taking unnecessary risks that would invalidate their insurance cover.
Babyhagrid
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Rock steady cruise was dug with the help of plenty of herbal assistance I believe . Maybe it's not all bad
I started caving and climbing over 50 years ago. In those days it was commonplace for people to climb when thoroughly stoned (and many hard ascents were only made because reality had been temporarily altered). Several pints of cider drove many of our best climbs.
Caving (on Mendip) seemed less drug dependent, post-caving drinking was probably more intense than it is now and smoking was rife. Even then if someone objected, we wouldn't smoke underground but otherwise, frequently did. I remember pipe-smoking competitions in Swildons where the winner kept his pipe continuously alight throughout the short round trip. On a different trip, he claimed to have reached Swildon's Three with it still glowing (but we didn't believe him).
I'm not sure exactly when attitudes changed but I didn't smoke underground at all after the 80s (I gave up completely shortly afterwards). These days I'd be extremely critical of anyone smoking underground on a one day trip in the UK. I'd be more forgiving if someone smoked on a multi-day trip.
Caving (on Mendip) seemed less drug dependent, post-caving drinking was probably more intense than it is now and smoking was rife. Even then if someone objected, we wouldn't smoke underground but otherwise, frequently did. I remember pipe-smoking competitions in Swildons where the winner kept his pipe continuously alight throughout the short round trip. On a different trip, he claimed to have reached Swildon's Three with it still glowing (but we didn't believe him).
I'm not sure exactly when attitudes changed but I didn't smoke underground at all after the 80s (I gave up completely shortly afterwards). These days I'd be extremely critical of anyone smoking underground on a one day trip in the UK. I'd be more forgiving if someone smoked on a multi-day trip.
aricooperdavis
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I would be very surprised if the BCA say anything other than "it's your job not to invalidate your own public liability insurance". As far as I'm aware they have no real power to police the behaviour of individual cavers.
Have you taken it up with the club directly? Do they definitely "allow" it? I'd be surprised by that too!
Chris Curry
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@Cantclimbtom said it best. Different clubs have different cultures. It sounds like this particular club isn't aligned to your caving ethos. I note from the other topic you posted today that they've annoyed you in a different matter as well. Find a different club that suits you better rather than trying to make trouble for them.
Scousecraigy
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No point as the club members literally think the sun shines out of their own arses and they have an elevated view of themselves and a dim view of others. My post is literally highlighting that maybe they should look at their own standards and responsibilities before looking at the faults of others.
Lankyman
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But is the grass always greener on the other side?
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There's a summary on:
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The BCA Public Liability Insurance (PLI) policy provides £20 million indemnity cover to all full members as a benefit of membership. This includes: The Public Liability Scheme is fully administered by…
british-caving.org.uk
The full Public Liability policy hasn't been posted because it's very hard to follow and also because it contains some personal information. For example, because BCA staff mainly work from home, the policy includes their home addresses. To address this, BCA's insurance renewal terms included the provision of a 'micro-site', by the broker, that would explain the cover to members, replacing the existing FAQ. This should have been available several months ago. Despite regular chasing it has not appeared but we now believe it is imminent.
Scousecraigy
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I dont need to be part of a group. I am quite happy solo exploring mines on my own. I have done about 50 solo explores now and i am competent and feel safer on my own. Oh by the way if anyone wants to check out my Tiktok and give me a follow https://www.tiktok.com/@scousecraigy44
Lankyman
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I enjoyed caving with others as it seemed more like a joint effort
Cantclimbtom
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Personally I like solo caving and exploring, and I like caving and exploring with company. For me solo versus company are two quite different experiences, with their own distinct advantages and disadvantages. For me anyway I'll want a bit of both in some sort of mix.
Don't ignore the advantages of being shown places you wouldn't have found, or an intro to a place especially where route finding is obscure.
You can be bolder in some stuff when with others or help each other, you don't have that worry of breaking a leg 30 mins in to an explore but your call out isn't for another 12 hours!!
Going with others can be both useful and a good craic if you're with people of similar interests and abilities.
Once again, maybe your post should be where they can see it.
Daniel Rose
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I think, existentially speaking, everyone has a finite number of friends. Making new friendships takes time and cannot be done on demand - it happens from time to time naturally and although it is a wonderful thing, you cannot force it. With this in mind, burning bridges and publicly insulting people is generally a bad idea if you want to live a happy, wholesome life
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