Darkplaces Big bash Aug 2007 - Trip report

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DP Big Bash Week 2007
WOW! Amazing and I didn’t die! The Darkplaces lot managed to organise a week of trips for all levels, some easy some mega hard core. Throughout the week we made fun of cavers.  :ras:

Saturday 4th - A wet one…
We had a walk up a very wet audit with lots of water coming out, after about 50ft it starts getting deeper with my bits getting wet and cold. After a while we have to crawl but its not as deep, meeting a shaft with water pouring down I remember, I think Nimrod saying the water was neck deep! Oh well that me out then, its well over my head If its neck deep for him!

The second underground trip of the day is secret but it’s a nice slate mine :D


Sunday 5th - Cwmorthin SRT Day

9 hours underground with Miles, Vanoord, Wormster, Darkstar, SimonRL, Nimrod and Wenders.

I was told of a 150ft decent, I was worried! However it was easy as it was down a steep slope; still if I had fallen I would have been damaged. Much work had gone into pre-rigging this trip, thanks goes to the rigger twins Miles and Simon. I enjoyed the SRT and slides unknowingly I was on a mega hard bastard trip. Wow I am ‘ard now :D I slid down on slate slides, making a wussy sound.. I saw the Bridge of Death, of Death and it is rather nasty looking! We peered down to the hideous slopping bottom and were told stories of expert riggers levitating across to rig the traverse lines.

After lunch and more looking about we head for chamber 14. Here to make the trip extra mega hard bastard the rope was cut to find the wuss… Once I had stopped crying it was correctly re-rigged and I dropped down the 80ft sharp wall of deadly slate, carefully! We all exit alive and happy I was a well ‘ard SRT’er with my final test to come later in the week.


Monday 6th – A mine of Gold we snuck into.

We all arrived as if by magic at a Welsh gold mine, somewhere in Wales. I had been before so was happy to climb the ladder and poke around, a larger internal steep manway was rigged by Jagman and many people went up, however I had nothing to prove with my SRT prowess and I was getting cold waiting so decided to return to the Funbus in the sunshine and eat. Nice day :D


Tuesday 7th - Drwys y Coed

I dropped down an 80ft shaft. Clunk descended it without doing up his central million, ooops, so I asked everyone to look at my nuts to check. The decent was slightly un-nerving for me as just putting weight on over the bar I hear ripping sounds, oh my god my harness is ripping apart I thought, so I dropped down gingerly and asked others at the bottom, to check my harness, all ok, but my boiler suit had a rip in it… The mine was small with a few crawls, not much to report. The prussic out was ok, the bloody pantin kept coming off the rope though.


Tuesday 7th – A wet lead mine.

Got kitted up in SRT and boiler suit. It’s a fun mine getting your bottom bits totally soaked right at the start. I had been once before but stopped at the 1st collapse before. I enjoyed the ladders but got to a low wet crawl, I wish I had on my warmbac on and should have done it. DAMM next time.. Had ice-cream on the way, nice.


Wednesday 8th – Moles Slate Mine & Party.

We revisited Moles last slate mine, impressive isn’t the word I am glad he got to see such an amazingly huge place with daylight streaming down from a couple of hundred foot above and looking down on a 150+ft below.

In the evening we relaxed and had a bit of a party with involved beer, food, cake candela, fireworks and PETROL :D Even a short speech. Thanks everyone :D

We even had a log-saw competition with simply-saw loosing out to 4 people with hammers and axes.


Thursday 9th - Parys Mountain

An amazingly coloured over ground and underground trip. Snotities and amazing colours and black pools, some fun ladders. At one point myself and Walrus thought a torrent of water was coming down a stepway and we were going to be drowned, only to find it was the wet trip lot coming down leaking water and kicking more down. Amazing formations.


Friday 10th - Croesor-Rhosydd Through Trip

Attending: Darkplaces (me), Nimrod, Wenders, Wormster, Merddinemrys, Barney, Vanoord and SimonRL.

The CRTT… I had read the stories and heard other peoples accounts of it, I thought technically its not hard but I was worried about the water (cant swim) and worried at never successfully done a zip wire before (that I remember).

Knowing I walk up hill slower then a slow slug in a snow shoe I had a head start and everyone still managed to catch me up just short of Rhosydd Ruins. I was handed a life jacket and promptly herded further up the hill. We kitted up outside Rhosydd and climbed in, up the incline up to the 1st pitch, I was slightly sickly nervous and toyed with the idea of backing out, only the fact that I needed help getting up a climb to get in stopped me from being lead out like a twat. I disabled the imagination and dropped down the HUGE looking pitch, words like 80ft were banded around I am sure they are lies and its like 100s of ft high. Two scary pitches later (they seamed huge because of the large chambers) we reached the 1st zip line, I had no choice. I watched a couple of others zip over and it didn’t seam too bad they seamed to gently land the other side and my arse would remain dry. However, I forgot the bit about pulling on the rope to break and while zooming across heard Nimrod shout BREAK BREAK BREAK, crap I thought were is that RO… BANG! Nimrod kindly providing a buffer between me and slate. Er sorry and thankyou very much Mr Nimrod Sir… (doffs Cap) That zip wire was rather fun.

Next was the 1st boat ride. Were once a shiny ladder bridge had hung a rock had nailed it to the watery bottom. Confident in my life jacket I boated across, ignoring the inky blackness below me. Glad of that water practice I had the year before with Smurfit’s sister & Hobbit. Once all across we tried to pull the ladder bridge out but need divers to cut wire I think.

Next obstacle was a small chamber with lots of water below and the remains of the middle of the bridge hanging in the center. A zip line required to traverse this. Initally I used a too short a cows tail (safety line on the wire line) but ground to a halt after taking a bite out of an ally snap lock, extended my cows tail and added a steel and off I went. Perfect, lifted my feet to clear the middle bridge support and everything.

The second bridge (doesn’t really warrant the name) was a little trickier. Black inky water below, chamber not very wide. Just 2 Long very bouncy rails to the middle support. Holding the zip line anchored in the middle I shuffled to the middle very slowly were I then had to transfer to a pully on the zip wire, but I am short and the pulley is way up high so I pulled out a spare sling, larks footed it round my central million and attached it to the steel krab hanging from another sling hanging from the pulley. Short cows tail on a rather knackered looking peace of rope and off I went, another perfect zip wire :D

The final obstacle, something I had only seen from the other side was the large double water chamber, the water 15-20ft below. I abed down while Vanoord held the boat still under me and just lowered myself horizontally into the boat, it was rather nice, I ran the rope though the STOP and Vanoord pulled both boats attached to each other across the chamber while I almost feel asleep watching the remains of the knackered bridges pass above me. Very calming, oddly enough. Landing the other side vanoord yanked me out of the boat, up along then prussic up that short bit. Yes I can do that, I did and finally we could take the SRT gear off. I had done it! Atleast now I was in an area I had been before. Pleased I had not died we wandered off to the exit climbing over really slippery slate piles, splitting into two groups, one went up and one (me) went down to exit out the Rhosydd number 9 adit. Luckily Dark Prince had guessed what I would do. A couple of chambers up we noticed a green glow and headed for it. We found a peace of slate saying “well done root, not far to go” A welling of pride and glad that I actually HAD done it (how embarrassing if I had not!) as well as admiration for walking up that bloody hill just to leave me choccy bars (under the slate) I didn’t spot gerr! Cheers anyway DP! Very thoughtful.
Anyway it was not over yet, that is a long walk still out of the mine and down they bloody hill and down further to the car park were I had phone messages saying how hard core I was etc ;) ta. :D

Thanks to everyone on the trip for looking out for me and the reassurance and lies I suspect to get me though. I shall return, with a head start on the walk up for sure!

I brought a stenlight…

Saturday 11th - Party with Daddy Miles

We had a long walk up and down in a slate mine we cant name. Good to see it again though Cheers Miles and the Mine exploring dog with floppy ears :D

That evening/night many people left, the DP Big Bash had drawn to a sudden close. Being such a busy week with people underground for the whole day it had gone by so fast, good byes were said.

Sunday 12th – Its all over!
I drive home after again being fed and watered to face pages to emails, posts and new members and the hum drum life of 2 pages of work emails to read though.

I think its been a huge success and we didn’t kill anyone, despite what many other so called official organisations would say. I am sure many people have left with amazing memories, pictures and knowing they have pushed themselves further then they thought possible. Everyone at the Big bash Achieved something! Well done.

Posted on UK Caving to make cavers all jealous they are not as hard core as us mine explorers  :tease:
 
Descent, p.37:

"On 10th July Darkplaces had 814 members, with an average of 31 new members each month so far this year. How many clubs can boast that kind of membership increase?".

S'a club.


BTW I guess the mention of secrecy is something to do with ignoring access requirements.
 
cap 'n chris said:
Descent, p.37:

"On 10th July Darkplaces had 814 members, with an average of 31 new members each month so far this year. How many clubs can boast that kind of membership increase?".

S'a club.


BTW I guess the mention of secrecy is something to do with ignoring access requirements.
WAHHH weres that come from? Has decent done an exposure job on us!
Not a club.
Sensible Access conditions we (I try and recommend) following. Its the pointless over restrictive ones we ignore to make the point how pointless they are.
 
But DP members don't need 'club' or 'committee' approval - we'll take (almost) anybody. Just turn up for a trip (and we'll try not to break you).
 
Can't say I've heard of Moles Slate Mine?

Incidentally there's a nice small mine on the opposite side of the valley to Drwsycoed Mine - Benallt Mine. Quite a long adit leading to some workings with a couple of sporting short climbs up to a higher level involving rusty chains and a semi-disentegrated fibre glass ladder.
 
c**tplaces said:
Sensible Access conditions we (I try and recommend) following. Its the pointless over restrictive ones we ignore to make the point how pointless they are.

We've been here before but still ...

Who died and left you in charge? Personally I, and the law of the land, believe that landowners have a right to impose access restrictions as they wish. Try trespassing on my land and you'll find out why.
 
Walrus said:
But DP members don't need 'club' or 'committee' approval - we'll take (almost) anybody. Just turn up for a trip (and we'll try not to break you).

And I think you'll find that members of other caving clubs will also go underground with virtually anyone. Doesn't make them any less a club than you are.  :coffee:

You do, after all, have the ultimate requirement in that you will chuck people out.  ;)
 
"Moles Slate Mine" - We keep the location secure as requested, Mole died outside of this mine so its referred to as Moles Slate Mine.
 
c**tplaces said:
"Moles Slate Mine" - We keep the location secure as requested, Mole died outside of this mine so its referred to as Moles Slate Mine.

Splendid, you've done a proper survey on this have you - or do you just get your own opinions spoken back to you by sycophants?  ::)

 
Law breaking is rarely silly and I would have thought that access conditions on cave and mines and how they are respected was extremely relevant to ukcaving.

Still what do I know, I just spend my time negotiating access to otherwise closed caves on behalf of other cavers.
 
Get with the facts its not law breaking its civil trespass. You just using words like LAW BREAKING to make it all sound sinister.
 
there are lots of silly laws:

Laws are funny things. Not only do people keep trying to break them all the time but you have to make sure they are up-to-date to keep pace with changes in society. In the UK, it’s The Law Commission’s job to search out such laws and add them to a Repeal Bill, which gets passed by Parliament every few years. But there are still loads of bizarre laws out there that have never been revoked. Here are just a few:

If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your commode, you must let them enter.

It is legal for a male to urinate in public, as long as it is on the rear wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.

All English males over the age of 14 are to carry out 2 hours of Longbow practice a week supervised by the local clergy.

No boy under the age of 12 may see a naked shop mannequin.

No one is allowed to die in Parliament. Well except the Queen. Westminster is a royal palace and anyone dying in a royal palace is eligible for a state funeral. So to avoid a costly funeral, if anyone does die, his or her body is removed before the death certificate is issued.

In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless in public except as a clerk in a tropical fish store.

In Bristol lovers are not allowed to kick a dog out of bed as apparently a dog – but not a cat - has the right to be a voyeur.

London taxi drivers are supposed to ask passengers if they are suffering from smallpox or the plague, since carrying sufferers is illegal.

A law introduced in 1307 ensures that the head of any dead whale found on the British coast becomes the property of the king and the tail belongs to the queen - should she need the bones for her corset.

It is illegal to wear armour in the Houses of Parliament

It is still an offence to beat or shake any carpet rug or mat in any street in the Metropolitan Police District, although you are allowed to shake a doormat before 8am.

And finally, possibly the silliest of them all: it is illegal to be drunk on Licensed Premises ie. in a pub or bar. I think someone’s missing the point.
 
I always understood, that, as a landowner, I am allowed to shoot a trespasser (never knew if it was civil or criminal) with a 12 bore - as long as it's below the knee.

Have been told a tale of it actually happening in our local village. Don't know what the legal outcome was, but I'd imagine the trespasser had a bit of a limp.

Have also been led to believe it's legal to shoot trespassers above the knee as long as the shell is loaded with rocksalt!

Could easily be wrong though.
 
graham said:
I just spend my time negotiating access to otherwise closed caves on behalf of other cavers.

And very much appreciated are your efforts, too, BTW. Please don't allow others to veer you away from such sterling work, Graham!
 
Actually, feelings of guilt, there's a negaotiation I've been forgetting to complete for a little while now ...

Must get onto it.  :-[
 
c**tplaces said:
cap 'n chris said:
Descent, p.37:

"On 10th July Darkplaces had 814 members, with an average of 31 new members each month so far this year. How many clubs can boast that kind of membership increase?".

S'a club.


BTW I guess the mention of secrecy is something to do with ignoring access requirements.
WAHHH weres that come from? Has decent done an exposure job on us!
Not a club.

Leaving arguments about trespass and access conditions aside, you all seemed to have a great time.

Just out of interest, if you accept that a "club" does not have to have a constitution nor subscriptions nor "red tape" and bureaucracy and can just be a totally informal group of friends who enjoy sharing a common interest: why are you so adamant in stating that Darkplaces is not a club?


 
Great trip report, I am most put out that I couldn't make it, although Les and myself did have a cracking time in OFD. Graham; I would suggest you start a new thread if you feel there is any future or merit to the current discussion/argument on this one. I am aware that it is quite a passionate subject but it diminishes a cracking report and a good week had by many. Ditzy, whereas you may feel you were mistreated by Darkplaces please bear in mind that it was good enough for you once and there are still many individuals that frequent its forums whom you have never met or had any cause to take issue with. I suggest that if you wish to continue down this road that you start a thread about it in a more relevant part of this forum. Seeing so many vitriolic replies stuck on to a trip report is a little dissapointing, I love my clubs and I love being a part of Darkplaces if I was ever made to choose then I would give it all up, the foibles and the quibbles are utterly irrelevant in comparison to the big picture, more caves, more mines and a lot of good people to meet along the way.
 
graham said:
c**tplaces said:
still waiting for it to be removed.

That the only way you can deal with criticism?
Twats that go off topic and start banging on with a personal agenda.

Would anyone like to ignore Graham and his scaremongering bollocks and just post a comment about the trips, ask questions, are you interested in doing it yourself for example. Pictures are starting to be uploaded and video too. Nothing, other then some sharp slate and rope was damaged all week.

cap 'n chris said:
Anyways, this is a bit OT.

Put simply, the DP group had a great bash, doing lots of stuff (with or without permission) and good on them!
Exactly, most of it is off topic - one of the major problems with UK CAVING that needs kicking into touch. No one was harmed and everyone went home having surpassed what they thought they were capable off without endangering themselves. 

I would hate c**tplaces to be associated with 'cave club' status, as our membership would suffer. DP beats all the 'clubs' in terms of membership growth rates hands down.

Badger testicle..
 
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