Deletion of Postings in Wales Forum - any ideas?

[Clive G]

Is there anyone out there who can help throw some light as to why the following two postings appear to have been deleted from the threads in which they originally appeared . . . ?


POSTING No. 1

Because everyone who is reading this doesn't know (me included); please could someone tell us;

1) Who, exactly, are the PCMDG ? (eg. a body made up of .... ?)
2) What is their mandate ?
3) Under what authority are they acting ?

Thanks,

Ian

This should appear between Reply #23 and Reply #24 in the 'Ogof Draenen - New Entrance' thread.


POSTING No. 2

Imo,

Sorry but I think you are missing the point.

I said the PDCMG meets the dictionary definition of fascism, I did not say they were acting as fascists.  (You quote my line in your post).

What I don't agree with is our peers imposing their opinion over us with implications if we don't comply.

We are each entitled to our own opinion and we are each entitled to behave and act within the law of our country.

I have asked that we respect the fact the we each have differing opinions; you feel a strong taping policy is in order for example and I respect that. Personally, I am not certain it will make much difference and I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other. However, a dedicated photographer may have a different opinion. Could you respect that (even if you don't agree) ?

I do not wish to join the PDCMG as it is unlikely that I will visit Ogof Draenan (I am not so enthusiastic about caving that I will travel lengths of the earth to explore all the exciting areas) and in any event, I am opposed to any self-appointed group/body that assumes responsibility and then commands dominion over others.

If you were to tell me that the land owner was initially refusing access and the group came into existence to protect and preserve cavers interests by negotiating with the landowner for access (for all cavers) then I would see that as an admirable position. However, there remains the problem of the apparently singular constitutional mandate (conservation) and the fact that it is totalitarian.

I said this in another post on one of these threads and I will say it again; it is precisely this kind of "empire building" and politics that has utterly ruined caving in North Wales and it is quite clear (just look at the number of viewings and posts on this subject within the "Wales" thread on this forum) that the same thing could easily happen in South Wales.

Why can't everyone just accept that we have differing views and that we share the common interest of "caving" and why can't we stop trying to demand that people do "this and that" or stop doing "this and that" ?

Has anyone actually behaved irresponsibly in Draenen to the degree that "cavers" have suffered a deep wound ?

I am still posting with the best of intentions.



Ian

This should appear between Reply #4 and Reply #5 in the 'Lack of Conservation in Dreanen and the Management Policy' thread.

Has there been some reason for removing these remarks?

 

[bubba]

POSTING No. 1

POSTING No. 2

 

[Clive G]

Thanks.