Hartledale Bottom mine - Moss Rake

SamT

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After any litterary references to this mine - journals, trip reports, surveys etc etc.

Had a good trip down to the bottom before christmas and Im keen to explore a bit more. Would be nice read up a bit on it.

Pitlamp - your're always good for refs. Anything in any TSG/Eldon/other journals

PS - Im up to date with any explorations in the last couple of years - i.e. anything by JT in the last 3 of 4 years.
 

Pitlamp

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Sam - sorry but I'm struggling with that one. Castleton's more my area of interest; Bradder's a bit off my patch.

I seem to remember there's a reference to it in that book which John Barnatt produced called "The Lead Legacy". My copy's not immediately to hand but there's plenty of them about. (If you can't get hold of a copy, PM me and I'll root out mine and have a look.)

You could do a lot worse than speak to John directly about this mine of course. Or Trevor Ford?
 

SamT

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It is indeed Robin.

Cheers nick - I Already found the ref in there googling. It just makes reference to the re-location of the Ore Crushing Wheel that lies at the edge of the gin circle adjacent to the shaft entrance.

It clarifies why its there. I had assumed the Circle next to the shaft was a crushing circle, but it makes  much more sense for it to be a Gin Circle. I thought prehaps there was some clever dual use of the horse, pulling both the gin and the crushing wheel. But it turns out it was relocated there when the original Crushing circle was engulfed by the Open cast working.

So - there you go.
 

Pitlamp

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Cracking pictures; thanks for posting.

Is that an old man's chain ladder in the first image?
 

pwhole

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Excellent stuff. Yes, that is the chain ladder - first noted by Alan Medhurst in the 1980s as I remember, and noted by Jim R in one of his reports - may even be in his Vol. 1 book on Derbyshire drainage. Well done all ;)
 

T pot 2

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After any litterary references to this mine - journals, trip reports, surveys etc etc.

Had a good trip down to the bottom before christmas and Im keen to explore a bit more. Would be nice read up a bit on it.

Pitlamp - your're always good for refs. Anything in any TSG/Eldon/other journals

PS - Im up to date with any explorations in the last couple of years - i.e. anything by JT in the last 3 of 4 years.
It was alan Medhurst, Mark (buster) wright and myself
(T pot) that first descended this mine, however it was not by the main shaft on the first descent.
Stanley Sidebotton of Netherwater plant who was extracting limestone at moss rake quarry at the time informed me that a hole had opened up on the left hand side of the concrete approach road to the quarry weighbridge and asked if we would look at it.
The descent was via a mined out vein some two feet in width and twenty foot deep, freeclimable to a ledge, from here a series of stopes were descended to a depth of approx 180ft, here we landed at an offset of the vein, Alan placed a spit and rigged a rope, I descended on down what was part mined, part natural for a further 20ft passing a body size phreatic tube in the left hand wall (this was never entered) at the bottom of here there are numerous stacked deads in the roof heading towards the main shaft, on gaining it, i realised that I was standing on a false floor that was much undercut supported on dubious stemples. From here I could see across the main shaft to a huge ledge where the main shaft continues on downwards. Alan and buster then looked at what we had found and we then returned to the surface.
A few days later Neil walker (JCB contractor) arrived at the shaft top, he scraped away the hillock blocking the shaft and we found the mines crushing stone was the cap, this was move to the side and concrete railway sleeper were put in its place (we left the middle on out at this point to allow us to make the first descent of the newly opened shaft.
The ginging of the 5ft oval shaft was in what seemed to be in good repair and we descended it passing a few small levels to the platform that I had seen from the false floor days earlier. From here I could tell that the false floor was not a good place to stand.
Looking back to the wall a chain link tow'd man's ladder disappeared up into the blackness (can't recall if it's top was ever reached) down to the left was a hauling kibble in a blocked stope 20ft deep (my view was that is a place to dig for further gains) at this horizon there is also a bedding plane approx 1ft deep that goes all the way around the shaft, however its not a bedding, it's a collapse feature. The descent of the shaft from the ledge only went to a boulder blockage at the bottom.
There is an article in descent magazine concerning the explorations.
Apologies for the lack of dates of the descents, I can't get at my diaries at the moment.

Ps
There are the three places of interest that should be revisited, the top of the chain ladder, the stope where the kibble is and the phreatic tube above the false floor.
Pps
At the shaft top stand and look in the direction of mam tor, climb down the bank on the far side of the crushing circle at the bottom off which is a draughting hole that I didn't investigate (it may have been a climbing shaft).
Hope this helps
T po
 

Mrs Trellis

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The other photo with the elongated shadow on the roof is great too and worth posting on this thread. (Please, pretty please)
 

Rob

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Big (re?)-discovery last night in HDBM. A lot more natural than we had hoped to find, based on the previous reports.....

Read about it here:
http://www.eldonpotholeclub.org.uk/.../586-more-natural-than-we-imagined-05-04-2023

HDBM Big Natural.jpg


HDBM Cap Lamp.jpg
 

alastairgott

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Love it, no one’s ever going to check as long as it’s within a beachball no one will ever know. Grade 5+++ and another + for effort!
“This was made humorously poor quality with the lack of a distoX so I was guessing lengths and clino whilst using my phone compass”
 
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