Jammers

[chriscastle46]

Why does a Pantin cost so much more than a standard jammer or Croll?

 

[Jams]

demand?

 

[Les W]

Could it be that the fancy foot harness increases the cost somewhat?

 

[SamT]

In all honesty, I reckon its to do with the manual labour required to stitch and thread the foot straps.

Just because there is more metal in the other devices, doesn't necessarily mean they cost more money.

Jams may have a clue, there is probably far less demand for pantins than the other devices (which are much more commonly used in mountaineering and industry) so economies of scale come into play.

otherwise   

 

[robjones]

There are roughly the same number of 'operations' to make a croll, a pantin or a handled jammer - count the likely number of press tools to form the shape and the curves, punches/drills to make the holes, etc (the raw materials probably cost virtually the same). The machine minders have to be paid and the design and tooling has to be paid for, with replacements of punches/drills as they wear, and so forth. The pantin however has a bit of harness attached. Its not the length of tape but the amount of time to stitch and inspect the sewing that costs. This suggests that the metal components of the croll and pantin cost broadly similar amounts (the handled jammer had some extra 'ops' hence its higher price than the croll) and that its the harness that ups the pantin's price. Does this seem a likely interpretation to forum members who are involved in metal-forming industries?

 

[cap n chris]

there is probably far less demand for pantins than the other devices (which are much more commonly used in mountaineering and industry) so economies of scale come into play.

Look no further.




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http://www.investorwords.com/1653/economy_of_scale.html

 

[Burt]

'cos it's Petzl, so suspend logic, invent a solution then find a problem to fit it. Go for an espresso and think
"Ow much weel zeese crayzee punterrrs pay for zis one?"
Price to suit.

 

[darren]

Dont forget how profit margins work.

Every one tries to double there money.

Supplier doubles cost of manufactur, retailer doubles his purchase cost.

Therefore a ?1 difference in manufacture means a ?4 difference in price.

 

[cap n chris]

'cos it's Petzl, so suspend logic, invent a solution then find a problem to fit it. Go for an espresso and think
"Ow much weel zeese crayzee punterrrs pay for zis one?"
Price to suit.

Nonsense, Burt! -

Same retailer, similar product, note the price difference (links below)!

For those who can't be arsed with links, they are:

Petzl Grigri ?58.20
Edelrid Eddy ?85.79

So, it IS to do with economy of scale `cos Petzl sell more kit therefore they are cheaper. QED the Pantin is only expensive `cos not a lot of them get made and sold as it's a niche device rather than not a lot of them being made and sold `cos they are made by Petzl and, according to Burt, are therefore expensive.


http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/grigri_self_braking_belay_device/
http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/eddy_belay_device/

 

[Cave_Troll]

if economy of scale is correct and the rumours i've been told about petzl stops no longer being "approved" by IRATA, then I expect the price of stops to go up as they'll no longer be sold in bulk to ropies.

 

[cap n chris]

Perhaps worth getting a couple of spares at reasonable price sometimewhen, then?

 

[Burt]

Chris, you're taking me far too seriously......

 

[Jams]

if economy of scale is correct and the rumours i've been told about petzl stops no longer being "approved" by IRATA, then I expect the price of stops to go up as they'll no longer be sold in bulk to ropies.

Just depends if employers want to fork out the extra for alternatives.