Non SRT caves in the north
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Speleofish
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Is Red Moss Pot still a thing? I remember going down it midwinter with ice on the ground and a terribly cold stream which was very close to freezing. And a wetsuit was more fishnet stocking than effective outer barrier. Still a very good trip...
RobinGriffiths
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Not enough to make a day of it but Katnot is worth a poke.
HardenClimber3
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Yes still open (not tried the original entrance). CPC team were down there quite recently and bumped into the farmer. No access issues.
Wet!
You could tie it in with some other caves nearby. NB Parking is now an option at LOW Birkwith.
JoshW
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Can walk from katnot to black reef cave to make it more of a day!
Considering trying the route described in the link you have sent (given there are no scour tests) this weekend. I am a little confused by the map https://www.braemoor.co.uk/caving/images/goyden.gif and looking for some advice. The route described entering through manchester hole which i am assuming is not on the map? or is that the portion labeled main enterance?
Hoping to do the route from the braemoor link this weekend. Just thought i would mention to anyone else considering it that the scour test time table is now online at https://www.yorkshirewater.com/about-us/reservoir-scour-testing/ spent a while on the phone with some very confused staff at yorkshire water who had no idea what i was asking for.The link on the Braemoor page to the BCRA publication has now, I'm afraid, gone 404. However, the same publication, I believe, can now be found via this page:
"Thunderstorms & Flash Flooding at Goyden Pot & Manchester Hole"
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Can I stress most strongly that if you do visit Goyden or Manchester Hole, take careful note of the level of water in the upstream reservoir, any possible scour tests and the wind direction: in the wrong direction it can raise waves which overtop the dam.
langcliffe
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The survey is just of Goyden, which is all that was (and is) available. The Manchester Hole connection enters the main passage just above the words "River Passage".
langcliffe
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The problem with that survey is that it is missing New Stream Passage and the passages immediately north of Labyrinth Passage which is a goodly proportion of the route that Wasp is considering undertaking, and the passages that connect Manchester Hole and Goyden are undecipherable.
MarkS
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Fair enough! I just thought I'd post the link given I knew of its existence,
JasonC
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Wasp - obviously a complete survey would be a big help, but the Braemoor guide is really good - if you follow it attentively,you should be ok.
I find the scariest pit is the traverse/drop over the 'second' pool into the window. It's not difficult, but it's a deep pool, and it's not clear how you would get out if you fell into it...
Apart from that - you have to go all the way to the end of New Stream passage before the bedding-place crawl on the left - there are one or two lookalike possibilities earlier, but which are too tight.
The connection from Manchester to Goyden is wet, but I would imagine it's not desperate with current water levels.
I find the scariest pit is the traverse/drop over the 'second' pool into the window. It's not difficult, but it's a deep pool, and it's not clear how you would get out if you fell into it...
Apart from that - you have to go all the way to the end of New Stream passage before the bedding-place crawl on the left - there are one or two lookalike possibilities earlier, but which are too tight.
The connection from Manchester to Goyden is wet, but I would imagine it's not desperate with current water levels.
Swallowneck
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The re-survey is definitely work in progress but it will be finished one day. Time as always is the problem. This coming summer will see lots more added.
The Eternal Optimist connection will look much better drawn as a separate map as it is mostly underneath other stuff. The data is there so anyone can use it. The maps in the registry were generated solely for digging/exploration and nothing else.
The Braemoor description is good and probably more use than any map.
Remember the wind is the killer in Goyden, Eternal Optimist is not a place to be if the westerly picks up. There are escape routes along the route but it’s better left until the water is well below the top of the dam wall.
langcliffe
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Sorry if I offended. It's an excellent survey, but not suitable in its current state for the route Wasp was planning to pursue.
langcliffe
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I wouldn't in the current weather. How was Goyden?
alastairgott
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I’d go one stronger, time is the enemy! The nemesis.