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Red Bull Bulletin

Tricky Dicky

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The latest issue of The Red Bull Bulletin magazine has an article on cave diver Andy Torbet with a nice photo of him in a flooded Finnish mine. You can often find the free magazine in outdoor shops, climbing walls etc, but there's an online bit here: https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/theredbulletin/wisdom-from-the-wild-adventure-lessons

Not so sure about their claim of Scotland’s deepest cave being Cave of Skulls.................
"Deep below Scotland’s West Highlands, cave diver and adventurer Andy Torbet is trapped in a watery underworld. He’d been exploring the Cave of Skulls, which, at depths of 48m, is the country’s deepest pothole system."
 
Google AI
AI Overview confirms there claim for Cave of the Skulls using the search request of "which is the deepest pothole in scotland"

At 48 metres (157 feet) deep, the Cave of the Skulls is the deepest natural pothole (vertical cave system) in Scotland. [1]

Location and Details
    • Location: Situated south of Duror on the north-western slopes of Meall Ban, overlooking Salachan Glen in Argyll. [1]
    • Discovery: Found by members of the Grampian Speleological Group in 1977. [1]
    • Structure: Consists of four distinct pitches:
      • First pitch: 5 metres
      • Second pitch (Popleton Pot): 12 metres
      • Third pitch (Dealer's Drop): 6 metres
 
Google AI
AI Overview confirms there claim for Cave of the Skulls using the search request of "which is the deepest pothole in scotland"

At 48 metres (157 feet) deep, the Cave of the Skulls is the deepest natural pothole (vertical cave system) in Scotland. [1]

Location and Details
    • Location: Situated south of Duror on the north-western slopes of Meall Ban, overlooking Salachan Glen in Argyll. [1]
    • Discovery: Found by members of the Grampian Speleological Group in 1977. [1]
    • Structure:Consists of four distinct pitches:
      • First pitch: 5 metres
      • Second pitch (Popleton Pot): 12 metres
      • Third pitch (Dealer's Drop): 6 metres
I think that saying Google AI, or any other LLM for that matter, "confirms" is a little naïve. You missed out the bit at the end where it acknowledges:
"AI responses may include mistakes."
 
Depends if he means deepest below the original entrance, as a lot of claonaite is above (Rana Hole having been dug through to meet it).

Was back in Feb / June 2010:

An article at the time claims the same thing:

& A previous repudiation:

Above magazine also has some US caving:
 
Mind you, AI is using a holiday cottage website as it's main reference!

It goes on to say: (Note: In humorous news reports, severely damaged public roadways like the unpaved U70 road leading to Cape Wrath have also been colloquially dubbed "waist-deep potholes", but Cave Of The Skulls remains the true geographical record-holder.)
 
Actually there is only a 20m difference between claonaite and Rana entrances, so the claim seems to rest on skulls being "the deepest natural vertical pothole" - whilst asking Google for the deepest cave, then AI correctly brings up claonaite

For those who don't do FB:
 
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