Sourcing stainless taping pegs

[cap n chris]

Help much appreciated with any pointers/help/source info available for getting a reasonable number of stainless steel conservation taping pegs. 

Bueller, Bueller?....

 

[paul]

Try Dave Webb, DCA Conservation Officer (conservation-off at theDCA. org. uk)

 

[cap n chris]

Thank you, Paul. I've emailed him and fingers crossed.

 

[Gerbil007]

 

[nickwilliams]

Are these not simply 3.2mm (or thereabouts) stainless TIG welding rod cut to length and bent into shape?

Available on e-bay in small quantities:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-308L-Tig-Welding-Rods-3-2mm-x-5-Rods-/150667045740?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item231474ab6c

and also available much more cheaply (although only in larger quantities) from your local welding supplies emporium.

Nick.

 

[damian]

Thought people generally used wall ties?

 

[JohnMCooper]

Found wall ties a pain to straighten so now use stainless steel 308L 1.6mm diameter welding rod. Depending on how high you want it you can get 3, 4 or 5 out of each metre length. Use a cylindrical former with a saw cut across the end of whatever diameter suits to give a circular top. Just put the end of the rod in the slot then bend the rod around the cylinder until you have an overlapping circle. The rod slips out of the sawcut afterwards. Hope this makes sense.

 

[cap n chris]

Many thanks for all your helpful responses! - should have plenty to go on, now. 

 

[Bob Mehew]

Elsie Little BCA C&A officer did hold a stock for free issue to regions.  Your Regional C&A should be aware of the set up.  I was advised by the Grampian that they used cable tie mount to tie the tape off at a wall.  (See http://www.screwfix.com/p/masonry-mount-black-9mm-pack-of-100/72199 )

 

[Leclused]

Hi,

In our club (sc avalon) we stopped using stainless taping pegs  and switched to plastic ones. The reason is security. If a person fells on a stainless taping peg the change is there that it penetrate the body. A plastic peg will bent.

The plastic pens we use are used in the agriculture sector to make fences to keep the cattle inside.

Here  you can see the plastic peg in use in one of our projects

https://picasaweb.google.com/Leclused/PlasticPeg?authkey=Gv1sRgCP_kx87ctOXMMg#


Also for the taping itself we switched to from pvc rope to enforced rope (also used in the agriculture sector)

Some examples of the poles can be found in the picture in this brochure (sorry in dutch)

http://www.allie.de/pdf/download/2011/Pat_W_11_097-106_NL.pdf

BR

Dagobert

 

[graham]

leclused's link has the right of it. We shouldn't be using tape, we should be using electric fences.

That'd learn the buggers.

 

[Leclused]

We don't connect it to battery.    ... but it is an idea for when we guide our college cavers to keep them on the path.

The reason why enforced  fence rope is used is that it keeps its form better then pvc rope. After a few years the elasticty of pvc rope is less and the rope isn't stretched anymore, and in the worsed case the rope will lay on the ground and people will walk over it. From that moment the conservation will be gone. With the enforced fence rope you don't have this problem (or less)

I've added an extra example the taping method with plastic pegs and enforced fence rope.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Leclused/PlasticPeg?authkey=Gv1sRgCP_kx87ctOXMMg#5662195104869481026  (Photo By JC London)

Dagobert
Sc Avalon

 

[Armchair]

An elegant and sensitive solution to the problem from Leclused. The H&S benefits, along with the possibility of passing large currents through the tapes if needs be, could obviously be a bonus. In the UK, however, it's best to keep conservation messages simple, so the grammar of the roadworks or builders yard will always be more effective!

 

[cap n chris]

For the life of me I cannot envisage any hazard posted by stainless steel pegs which have a similar design to p-bolts. Clearly I'm making a major assumption that the pointy bit is inserted into the rock/mud and the tape is tied into the hole at t'other end but maybe this is me being misguided and the pointy bit sticks up and hence would indeed pose a real and immediate hazard for cavers suffering myotonia congenita.

 

[Les W]

For the life of me I cannot envisage any hazard posted by stainless steel pegs which have a similar design to p-bolts. Clearly I'm making a major assumption that the pointy bit is inserted into the rock/mud and the tape is tied into the hole at t'other end but maybe this is me being misguided and the pointy bit sticks up and hence would indeed pose a real and immediate hazard for cavers suffering myotonia congenita.

I must agree with you Chris, I cannot envisage a problem with stakes with a ring formed at the top (i.e. no pointy bits). Also they will only be about 150mm high and will bend if stood on, so I fail to see them as a hazard.

If you fell on the plastic ones they could still hurt you if you landed on them wrong