Trespass
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Cantclimbtom
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The problem with cavers is... they look like cavers, and unlike any other land users. Firstly there is the rope/kit bag: PVC yellow/orange/blue then there is the general scruffiness. Quite unlike the sort of thing any decent ordinary folk with a peerage would carry and why won't those oiks wear proper Hunter's wellies?
Once the government has reviewed trespass and Lords have amended, man traps will be legalised. Flushing out and hunting (by horse and hounds) people with PVC bags will be recognised a countryside sport
Edit: as much as I'm joking above, I also have sympathy for farmers disrupted by swarms of inconsiderate and indiscrete people.
Once the government has reviewed trespass and Lords have amended, man traps will be legalised. Flushing out and hunting (by horse and hounds) people with PVC bags will be recognised a countryside sport
Edit: as much as I'm joking above, I also have sympathy for farmers disrupted by swarms of inconsiderate and indiscrete people.
crickleymal
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Petition is closedkay said:
Hi,
'Free mining' laws ensure that prospecting and digging should go unhindered, provided that land is rendered usable. This applies to any abandoned sites too. There are special courts to oversee any disputes. (Many silver/lead veins were found in natural caves). Being strategic, underground resources belong to the crown, not to private landowners, and that since way before medieval charters were established to this effect. 'Resources' also include coal, oil and gas, etc... (and perhaps water).
D.Send.
'Free mining' laws ensure that prospecting and digging should go unhindered, provided that land is rendered usable. This applies to any abandoned sites too. There are special courts to oversee any disputes. (Many silver/lead veins were found in natural caves). Being strategic, underground resources belong to the crown, not to private landowners, and that since way before medieval charters were established to this effect. 'Resources' also include coal, oil and gas, etc... (and perhaps water).
D.Send.
Hi mikem,
Things are not quite as simple as you indicate : All 'private' lands in England and Wales are crown (now state) lands, the details of the 'holdings' being complex ! The state has the rights to oil, gas, coal, gold and silver (and hence to lead lodes), or tin under local law, and ALL depending on declarations in the Land Registry. Things get quite complex when you look at the details...
D.Send.
Things are not quite as simple as you indicate : All 'private' lands in England and Wales are crown (now state) lands, the details of the 'holdings' being complex ! The state has the rights to oil, gas, coal, gold and silver (and hence to lead lodes), or tin under local law, and ALL depending on declarations in the Land Registry. Things get quite complex when you look at the details...
D.Send.
Especially as the mineral rights can be held by someone other than the land above, & tin is mostly on Duchy of Cornwall land. The Crown also holds mineral rights for quite a bit of North Wales, due to the gold there.
However: "Following the privatisation of the coal industry, the ownership of all coal now resides with the Coal Authority which assumed responsibility for unworked coal and liabilities for past coal mining in 1994."
However: "Following the privatisation of the coal industry, the ownership of all coal now resides with the Coal Authority which assumed responsibility for unworked coal and liabilities for past coal mining in 1994."
pwhole
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I managed to find another of the Sheffield seam outcrops the other day, after much furtling in the undergrowth. This is the Whinmoor, or Mickley Thick seam, just updip from the Silkstone seam, a much more famous (and larger) one. It cuts through Gleadless, Arburthorne and Norfolk Park, before heading into the town centre - there's not a lot visible these days, and this will vanish in a month once the vegetation has grown back. But it's a good example of how these seams were originally discovered. I did bring a bit home with me, but not much your honour, only a pocketful.
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alastairgott
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Can't even confine you to Sheffield without finding rocks to look at.
I walked past some limestone boulders, not erratics as they had been placed there. But quite out of place where they are being 20-30miles away from limestone! If it helps me stay vaguely on topic, they were surrounded by signs saying you are on CCTV and big hedges with signs nearby saying private land (I was on a public footpath).
I also tried to follow a path I came down the other week, but realised the drive said private property. I walked down the main road a bit and took a path, seems it links up to the same place, but no-one really bothered to put any footpath signs up for those coming off the hill.
I remember a story a friend told me that they had been to a mill to check it out for a photoshoot, not on public land. But there were also some kids on the site too, which they turned a blind eye to. Some security guards showed up and asked both groups what they were doing there, my friend told them he was telling off the kids for being on the site! Which got some raised eyebrows but both got let off...
I walked past some limestone boulders, not erratics as they had been placed there. But quite out of place where they are being 20-30miles away from limestone! If it helps me stay vaguely on topic, they were surrounded by signs saying you are on CCTV and big hedges with signs nearby saying private land (I was on a public footpath).
I also tried to follow a path I came down the other week, but realised the drive said private property. I walked down the main road a bit and took a path, seems it links up to the same place, but no-one really bothered to put any footpath signs up for those coming off the hill.
I remember a story a friend told me that they had been to a mill to check it out for a photoshoot, not on public land. But there were also some kids on the site too, which they turned a blind eye to. Some security guards showed up and asked both groups what they were doing there, my friend told them he was telling off the kids for being on the site! Which got some raised eyebrows but both got let off...
