Wanted: Clown or Bollard hanger

IanWalker

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saw some on ebay recently:


 

Oldbloke

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I've got these for sale if you're interested?
 

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Loki

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I remember those clowns but never saw one used. What were they actually meant to do that the bollard didn’t?
 

wellyjen

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Petzl Clown hangers were for similar use locations as ring hangers and bollard hangers, including in to a spit set in a roof. I had a few, but found they relied on the rock for around a 40mm radius around the spit being flat, as it needed a flat surface to sit properly. Lots of places where this wasn't the case, so you tended to go for another hanger style instead. I rarely used the ones I had. The Troll bollard hangers were much more useful, particularly for traverse lines. Never gave me a great deal of confidence for a main hang, which is dumb as the shock load falling a short distance, but high fall factor is going to be worse than a fail on the main hang.
 

langcliffe

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I remember those clowns but never saw one used. What were they actually meant to do that the bollard didn’t?
Three things really. Firstly, they didn't squash the rope (which wasn't actually a problem); secondly, they lifted the rope away from the rock; and thirdly, they gave Petzl another revenue stream. We all made our bollards in the workshop, so Petzl didn't benefit.
 

Loki

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Three things really. Firstly, they didn't squash the rope (which wasn't actually a problem); secondly, they lifted the rope away from the rock; and thirdly, they gave Petzl another revenue stream. We all made our bollards in the workshop, so Petzl didn't benefit.
Can anyone post a pic of how the rope was meant to go in? Did it go in the slot at the front? The youth might be interested in a bit of caving historical practice.
Beardy used to (still has?) have some machined disc things with dyneema loops in that got larksfooted onto the rope saving metalwork. They were really versatile.
 

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wellyjen

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Can anyone post a pic of how the rope was meant to go in? Did it go in the slot at the front? The youth might be interested in a bit of caving historical practice.
Beardy used to (still has?) have some machined disc things with dyneema loops in that got larksfooted onto the rope saving metalwork. They were really versatile.
It's in Japanese, but the photos here show the way the rope is threaded through a clown hanger and how it is used in vertical and overhanging walls.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/rope_access_eng/archives/618450.html
 

Fred

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The machined disk things are AS hangers - still available from Mr Seddon

Amarrage Souple

They are excellent though may not inspire confidence from others - once remember being asked why bootlaces were being used in the rigging. Also not sure about using these in the roof, although Alpine Caving Techniques certainly shows this. The failure in this orientation is that the holes rupture as the Dyneema is pulled sideways out of the disk.
 

topcat

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I use AS rigging whenever I have the opportunity, or until I run out of them.....I only have ten. They are brilliant: very versatile, fast and save on rope.
 
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