Speleotron
Member
I always get the two mixed up; they're both long ridges with caves on them!
Yorkshire 3 peaks and 3 caves?
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steviet_scg
Member
I like the idea of minimal kit through trips as close to the normal 3 peaks route as possible.
Ing: Great Douk - Middle Washfold
PyG: Calf Holes - Browgill (bit of kit needed and access issues though)
Whern: Runscar / Thistle
Ing: Great Douk - Middle Washfold
PyG: Calf Holes - Browgill (bit of kit needed and access issues though)
Whern: Runscar / Thistle
Alex
Well-known member
I thought they don't want anyone crossing their land at the moment, except by the foot paths of course. Even though it's like 5m of land they are not allowing it. I would see screw em, but I know CNCC are trying to change this situation atm and that may affect negotations. Anyway not the place to discuss that, good luck with the 3 peaks and 3 caves. Our club have been thinking about doing it for a while, but choosing harder caves but we have not been brave enough to take it on yet!
georgenorth
Active member
Loki said:
Penygent Extensions, Quaking and Crescent are the obvious three. What a day that would be!
The rules and ethos of your challenge are for you to decide. If we knew more it would be easier to provide comment that is useful to you. (Caves that I choose for myself may not interest you and vice-versa.)benshannon said:
Generally speaking - are you doing the challenge or planning it for someone else. Are you going alone or with a group? I assume walking the circuit and carrying all personal gear and tackle to rig and derig as you go. You say caves 'around' each peak - does that mean on the slopes of the peak (e.g East Kinsgale is 'on' Whernside), or including adjacent caves (eg West Kingsdale for Whernside)
You say Penygent 'sounds' good - does that mean you haven;t yet visited? Probably worth a recce into each of your prospective caves before the event.
Worth considering rope lengths (for SRT). Eg if cave A requires numerous short ropes, might be worth picking caves B and C that could make use of the same rope lengths. (Or settle for knot passes and/or cutting ropes during the attempt).
Training with lots of walks, of increasing length and with increasing bag weight, will be very useful. As will long caving trips and possibly starting multiple caving trips with walks between. Making the training match the event character will be beneficial (eg similar terrain for walking, similar caving trips). Food and drink will be important, and worth considering whether a sleep will help. Nothing new on race day.
thinking further on this - you could do a large portion of the training quite simply by:
A) caving, and walking, every week. going up to twice a week.
b) parking further away for all your caving trips (say starting at 1 mile and going up to 5 miles away)
c) walking to/from caves from the hut if staying away
d) offering on club trips to carry all the gear and rig/derig
e) combining the above.
a rule-of-thumb if have found useful for past challenges, is to increase the weekly exercise gradually up to the challenge time/distance. so for this challenge if you can fit in 5 to 15 hours of caving plus say 25 miles of walking as a weekly total, the challenge day should be achievable. its a big time commitment but seems to be an effective preparation in endurance sport.
if you are interested in more detailed training advice i would recommend looking at Jeff Galloway's website and/or books on distance running and buying "Training for the New Alpinism: A Manual for the Climber as Athlete" by Scott Johnston and Steve House.
hope this helps
A) caving, and walking, every week. going up to twice a week.
b) parking further away for all your caving trips (say starting at 1 mile and going up to 5 miles away)
c) walking to/from caves from the hut if staying away
d) offering on club trips to carry all the gear and rig/derig
e) combining the above.
a rule-of-thumb if have found useful for past challenges, is to increase the weekly exercise gradually up to the challenge time/distance. so for this challenge if you can fit in 5 to 15 hours of caving plus say 25 miles of walking as a weekly total, the challenge day should be achievable. its a big time commitment but seems to be an effective preparation in endurance sport.
if you are interested in more detailed training advice i would recommend looking at Jeff Galloway's website and/or books on distance running and buying "Training for the New Alpinism: A Manual for the Climber as Athlete" by Scott Johnston and Steve House.
hope this helps
If you want to make bar pot (or any other routes into GG) easier, do it alongside a winch meet. Although I quite like steviet's suggestion of trips adjacent to the route (they needn't even be on the peaks themselves then). Map it out on (note, I can't zoom in enough to get GG & jib to differentiate or the two entrances between OBJ & Bar): https://cncc.org.uk/caving/caves/map.php?n=54.1494253905477&w=-2.38241125754417
benshannon
Active member
Loads of Info here now. cheers guys. I have ordered the northern caving book about the 3 peaks. so will do some reading.
In terms of training, thank you for the advice but im pretty comfortable with endurance events. ill leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaxlJkKpNs&t=861s
why would you link with a winch meet out of curiosity?
In terms of training, thank you for the advice but im pretty comfortable with endurance events. ill leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaxlJkKpNs&t=861s
why would you link with a winch meet out of curiosity?
MarkS
Moderator
For what it's worth, my advice would be to think hard about equipment and remember that it will almost all be wet & muddy after your first trip! I think we all agreed that the walking was much harder than the caving, and we had fairly minimal kit (all 8 mm rope). I would echo marysboy's advice that you should definitely have done all the caving you plan to do at least once beforehand. Psychologically I suspect I would have found our trip much harder if I was unfamiliar with the caves.
In terms of cave choice, we picked the deepest on each hill when we did it, partly due to some level of precedent and partly because it seemed a suitable choice. Handily they are all great trips too! But there is no right or wrong. Whatever you do, I look forward to hearing about it!
In terms of cave choice, we picked the deepest on each hill when we did it, partly due to some level of precedent and partly because it seemed a suitable choice. Handily they are all great trips too! But there is no right or wrong. Whatever you do, I look forward to hearing about it!
benshannon
Active member
Cheers Mark, I shall bare that in mind. im going to write up my challenge from last week of deepest cave to highest summit in England later on 
NC2 is good for inspiration but somewhat lacking on modern rigging details.benshannon said:
if you are considering Penygent Pot and King Pot, you may find Not For The Faint Hearted to be more useful for route descriptions.
Penygent is now CNCC bolted, topo on the website.
Now we get onto the problem of deepest from entrance, or lowest in altitude (& mines going further down again)...benshannon said:Cheers Mark, I shall bare that in mind. im going to write up my challenge from last week of deepest cave to highest summit in England later on
PeteHall
Moderator
benshannon said:im going to write up my challenge from last week of deepest cave to highest summit in England later on
I'm intrigued as to which you chose after this discussion: https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=26655.0