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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #500 on: April 26, 2017, 04:32:14 pm »
Is the draft still coming from below? This could mean that you're OK and down is still teh way.
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #501 on: April 26, 2017, 04:46:25 pm »
The draught has always been quite diffuse. You can feel it a few metres from the bottom of the shaft, but not right really at the dig face. Anyway... vertical section now so we should be making several metres of progress with each visit. Exciting times ahead!

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #502 on: April 26, 2017, 10:47:57 pm »
My pet Vitnery says:-

More than one animal, probably at least 5 diet species.

The large tooth adjacent to the jawbone (cms1-6) looks like a herbivores molar with grinding ridges  = sheep or cow or even small horse ?

ditto large knuckle bone with complex articular surface (cms 16-20) = sheep or pig or cow or horse carpus/tarsus

jawbones probably sheep.

thin long rib bones look too thin to be from domestic species. Other bones difficult to tell from the pictures

Lack of signs of chewing may mean natural death. Marrow bones are usually broken open to get at the marrow by predators.
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #503 on: April 27, 2017, 09:43:22 am »
Apparently when Nettle Pot was being dug, lots of deer bones were in the fill, but no idea how you ID them! Perhaps if you find a herbivore skull with a red nose?  :lol:

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #504 on: April 27, 2017, 01:06:59 pm »
Lack of signs of chewing may mean natural death.

Death coming possibly as a result of a large fall? [/sleuth]

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #505 on: April 27, 2017, 06:09:51 pm »
To be fair the vitnery didn't know the cause of death.
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #506 on: May 06, 2017, 07:47:27 pm »
Hello all,

I am working with Doubleband Films on the second series of Tony Robinson's Ancient Tracks, for episode 3 we are doing the Derbyshire Portway and Tony is hoping to be able to visit Eldon Hole. Would any of you be able to help me organise this and perhaps work or be filmed with Tony? Be really lovely to get people on board - filming is 10th - 16th July. Please contact me via email if you think you can help.

Thanks,

Liz

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #507 on: May 07, 2017, 07:35:31 am »
Hi Liz- I have sent you a pm.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #508 on: May 07, 2017, 09:52:22 am »
Do you have a cunning plan for getting him down the 'ole?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #509 on: May 07, 2017, 10:40:02 am »
Wait for the breakthrough then walk in via Peak!
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #510 on: May 07, 2017, 06:17:18 pm »
Don't let him make you trench Coffee ! ;D 

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #511 on: May 08, 2017, 01:17:17 pm »
Don't let Dreg do it... unless its going out after the watershed  :lol:

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #512 on: May 18, 2017, 08:49:06 am »
No reports for nearly a month - is this the usual summer hiatus or has it 'gone' and we can expect a mega report soon?

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #513 on: May 18, 2017, 08:51:05 am »
Expect a detailed report very soon.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #514 on: May 18, 2017, 09:01:44 am »
I'm sure you have read the description of Eldon in Pilkington A View Of The Present State Of Derbyshire 1789. But if not I have a copy and can scan it for you. This fascinated me from when I first started caving in 1974. I am following this dig with interest.
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #515 on: May 18, 2017, 10:15:33 am »
Expect a detailed report very soon.

Mark

You ****ing tease Mark!  :-\ :-\ :-\

Just hurry up and crack it, then you lot can move on to those dolines east of the quarry - I think they deserve a 'badger dig'.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #516 on: May 18, 2017, 01:57:08 pm »
Expect a detailed report very soon.

Mark

You ****ing tease Mark!  :-\ :-\ :-\

Just hurry up and crack it, then you lot can move on to those dolines east of the quarry - I think they deserve a 'badger dig'.

We don't do surface digs, only digs at the bottoms of very big shafts.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #517 on: May 18, 2017, 04:40:00 pm »
Does this mean that Mark R will set you all on digging out the base of a certain engine shaft in order to retrieve the teamaking equipment once Eldon' done? :-\
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #518 on: May 18, 2017, 07:55:11 pm »
Does this mean that Mark R will set you all on digging out the base of a certain engine shaft in order to retrieve the teamaking equipment once Eldon' done? :-\

It's on my list..!!!

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #519 on: May 19, 2017, 01:03:29 am »
01/05/17

Sorry for the late posting.

Mark W., Mark R., Mark S., Adam W. & Ivor, carried 15 x 1.8m boards, 7 x 8’ scaffold tubes, a bag of singles, 36v drill and 18v reciprocating saw (what a tool), rope, stereo, coffee flasks and sandwiches up to Eldon Hole on Monday.

Special thanks must go to the two lads who we talked into helping with equipment portaging. Sorry I didn’t catch your names.

The first job was clearing the former wall out from the bottom of the first shaft we had dismantled the week before. With that done there followed a constant stream of buckets coming from the sharp end interspersed with some pretty large blocks coming up in the net. None stop hauling until lunchtime and a welcome rest. Mark R. and Adam then went down to do some capping while we finished our sandwiches and then some more hauling.

Following a lack of any movement at the sharp end for some time I went down to see what the problem was. There had been a significant slump of rocks behind the boards we installed the week before and it was time for some serious backfilling.

With this complete and a new scaffold ring and a fresh set of boards installed it was time for the pub so we all headed out for a pint in the Devonshire.

As has already been posted, we have been finding all sorts of animal bones in the rubble and bank holiday Monday was no exception. The only difference was, some of the bones, recovered from a depth of +/- 16m, weren’t from an animal, they were human and not just one human, an adult and a juvenile.

With the relevant authorities and landowner contacted we have been advised to temporarily stop the project pending the issue of an exhumation license for any further bone removal and have received advice from the NP on recording any future archaeological finds.

The bones have undergone a detailed investigation by the University of Dundee and confirmed by the county coroner as not being recent. Accurate dating is currently being organized through the University of Nottingham and as soon as we have some news we will post on here.

In the meantime could we ask that people avoid going down to the dig face until further notice. Hopefully this won’t be too long. 

Mark

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #520 on: May 19, 2017, 03:58:07 am »
Cheers for the report.

Really interested to hear about the human bones and I'll be interested when the result of the dating comes back.


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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #521 on: May 19, 2017, 08:24:59 am »
The highwayman's victims?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #522 on: May 19, 2017, 09:03:57 am »
The below report extracts dont necessarily relate to the photos but they give you an idea of what we have found.








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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #523 on: May 19, 2017, 09:40:16 am »
Good timing considering Doubleband Films want to film the dig for their archaeology program!
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #524 on: May 19, 2017, 10:26:45 am »
So if the human bones pre-date Lloyds shaft account, what then