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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #525 on: May 19, 2017, 10:35:49 am »
So if the human bones pre-date Lloyds shaft account, what then

That's exactly what I've been pondering, but there's only one way to find out for certain what's at the bottom...

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #526 on: May 19, 2017, 10:41:44 am »
Would this be the first ever dig that navigates by the age of the human remains they find?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #527 on: May 19, 2017, 11:48:46 am »
Fascinating, but equally sad that we'll likely never know the true story of what happened or who they were!
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #528 on: May 19, 2017, 11:52:58 am »
There are two differing accounts of the first descent of Eldon Hole by George Bradley. One says that he reported finding animal bones and human remains at the bottom: http://www.countryimagesmagazine.co.uk/walking/walking-eldon-hole/

Another says that he went mad and died shortly afterwards without reporting what he had seen: https://www.mountain.rescue.org.uk/assets/files/The Oracle/History and people/CaveRescueBeforeNeilMoss.pdf (PDF)

They also report the sponsor of the expedition as being either the Earl of Leicester or Henry Cavendish of Chatsworth House...

This descent took place in the late 1500's so could well have been before the supposed second shaft was covered over.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #529 on: May 19, 2017, 12:11:25 pm »
Adam, I think you're first link may need a pinch of salt, given it says

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In more modern times cave explorers have managed to clear most of the rocks dropped by inquisitive tourists. From the bottom of the pothole they found that Eldon Hole is linked to a complex system of underground passages.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #530 on: May 19, 2017, 12:39:23 pm »
Those teeth are in better condition than mine !  ;D
Fantastic and intriguing ,keep digging and let me know if you need any new buckets and nets.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #531 on: May 19, 2017, 01:34:19 pm »
Keep going to bedrock or water?

When I had been down there previously a significant amount of water was flowing down the wall at the bottom of the rubble slope, near the pull through for the up pitches and the abandoned backfilled shaft in the floor - that has to go somewhere

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #532 on: May 19, 2017, 04:11:09 pm »
Adam, I think you're first link may need a pinch of salt, given it says

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In more modern times cave explorers have managed to clear most of the rocks dropped by inquisitive tourists. From the bottom of the pothole they found that Eldon Hole is linked to a complex system of underground passages.

Yes, that did raise a figurative eyebrow. However it's not completely fake news is it - modern cave explorers have been digging at the bottom on and off for quite a few years, and it has been dye traced to one of the Peak Cavern resurgences.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #533 on: May 19, 2017, 05:42:55 pm »
On a bit of tangent, I've never really believed that the rocks down there are from a few drystone walls and a couple of cottages, there seems to be far too much for that. I wonder if old quarrymen used to dump waste down there?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #534 on: May 19, 2017, 05:45:49 pm »
Human waste looking at those bones.  :coffee:
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #535 on: May 20, 2017, 09:17:13 pm »
I think that finding human 'skelingtons' is really exciting news. Maybe next you can find some treasure that'll be worth shit loads and pay for the dig.... and the next dig, and the next dig..... :thumbsup:

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #536 on: June 17, 2017, 10:48:48 pm »
Just to give everyone a bit of an update.

I've just realised its been a month since our last digging trip. We've had a couple of tidying up trips in the entrance and Main Chamber area and had a trip to the top of Millers Chamber with a view to permanently re-rigging the up pitches with some new rope and rigging.

We are still waiting on the issue of the necessary licence to continue digging, although we are hopeful this will be in the next few weeks. Most of the regular digging team have been working away for most of the past month so its not too bad.

The Badgers will be helping out next month with the filming of the 'Britains Ancient Tracks' TV program. Unfortunately Tony Robinson wasn't keen to be lowered down into the Main Chamber but the production company are still keen to have some underground footage taken with helmet mounted GoPro's. 

As soon as we have the licence to start digging again we will let everyone know.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #537 on: June 19, 2017, 08:27:09 am »
What a fascinating, difficult and long awaited dig this is. Can I put an order in for the book now!

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #538 on: July 13, 2017, 08:36:48 am »
do you want a 6 foot+ long scaff plank that seems to be in my bathroom?

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #539 on: July 13, 2017, 10:00:11 am »
Are we OK to go and have a nosey if we don't do any digging?

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #540 on: July 13, 2017, 11:22:04 am »
Thanks for the offer of the scaffold board but no thanks we don't use them.

No problem going down into the dig but be very careful as there are a lot of bones in the floor of the dig which could be damaged.

It would be best to avoid the place on Sunday though as we are filming Britains Ancient Tracks with Tony Robinson.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #541 on: July 13, 2017, 02:39:09 pm »
Tim, we'll have the scaff. plank for Bullpit if you need to find a home for it.
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #542 on: July 14, 2017, 01:16:27 pm »
sold.

and i'll not go down eldon on sunday

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #543 on: July 16, 2017, 08:49:12 pm »
Thanks for the offer of the scaffold board but no thanks we don't use them.

No problem going down into the dig but be very careful as there are a lot of bones in the floor of the dig which could be damaged.

It would be best to avoid the place on Sunday though as we are filming Britains Ancient Tracks with Tony Robinson.

Mark

Just out of interest, could you say why you don't use scaffolding planks?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #544 on: July 17, 2017, 01:30:31 pm »
Hi,

We will only be using 6"x1" tanalised (or similar treated) planks for the dig with the occasional 4" plank slotted in here and there. Sadly we will have to buy the materials. Badlad taught me very quickly that it's not worth trying to shoe- horn in free materials of irregular sizes that won't last. Best to bite the bullet and buy the kit to do the job properly.

Cheers for the offer though.

Mark

As Mark R. pointed out a couple of years ago, we only use 6' x 1' tanalised timber for the dig with the odd 4" plank used to fill in the gaps. Scaffold boards aren't treated, are too thick, too long, too wide, very heavy (especially when wet) and very very expensive.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #545 on: July 17, 2017, 06:13:01 pm »
Hi,

We will only be using 6"x1" tanalised (or similar treated) planks for the dig with the occasional 4" plank slotted in here and there. Sadly we will have to buy the materials. Badlad taught me very quickly that it's not worth trying to shoe- horn in free materials of irregular sizes that won't last. Best to bite the bullet and buy the kit to do the job properly.

Cheers for the offer though.

Mark

As Mark R. pointed out a couple of years ago, we only use 6' x 1' tanalised timber for the dig with the odd 4" plank used to fill in the gaps. Scaffold boards aren't treated, are too thick, too long, too wide, very heavy (especially when wet) and very very expensive.

Mark

Thanks Mark.

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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #546 on: September 16, 2017, 10:34:27 am »
Has work on the project stopped because of the discovery of human remains?
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Re: Eldon Hole - Trip Report
« Reply #547 on: September 16, 2017, 10:45:37 am »
Has work on the project stopped because of the discovery of human remains?

See posts 519 & 536

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