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Offline peterdevlin

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Worst case senario ?
« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2006, 11:54:08 am »
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This was a very bad experience for me: my life flashed before me!!! Pooee. Would have been worse if you came unstuck and fell on to me though  :wink:


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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2013, 09:06:07 am »
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OK - so which was the incident featured on 999, then? - it was definitely scouts, it was definitely a 'small' duck as opposed to being sent repeatedly down a flooded passage.

It was Dido's. I saw a recording of the program last year shown by somebody who was there.

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2013, 12:22:27 pm »
Thanks, Cap'n Chris, good to see that again.

I'd never seen "real caving" before, either in real life or on telly.
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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2013, 05:50:26 pm »
That's the one!  Thanks for finding it, Cap'n.

I'm still surprised the lad was still sane when they got him out!
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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2013, 06:44:08 pm »
Ken Pearce talks about the 1965 Carlswark Cavern incident here: http://caving-library.org.uk/audio/selected.php?id=34

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #80 on: June 02, 2013, 06:53:56 pm »
It was that 999 episode that made me want to get into caving it was also the episode that made me never want to free dive anything!

Someone mentioned earlier in a thread about being trapped on the wrong side of a boulder choke, well I got a story on that my self a from a few months ago, may had already posted this before, no wait that was Ireby fell.

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #81 on: June 02, 2013, 07:39:55 pm »
Or was "Dido's Cave" actually "Nether Hagg Mine"?

There seems to be a lot of misinformation within this topic already. Roger W's account seems to have elements of more than one incident blended into one story that didn't actually happen. There was that rescue when a youth free dived an impressive distance in a sump in Carlswark in the 1960s and got stranded in an airbell. He was actually recovered alive after a pumping effort. The Dido's Cave / Nether Hagg Mine incident was more recently (late 80s I think). What actually happened there was tail end Charlie missed the climb up to the entrance area and continued to where the roof dipped below water. Most people would realise they'd gone wrong at that point because no sump had been dived on the way in. But he just had a deep breath and kept going. That rescue was certainly performed by cave divers.

Sam T's original post makes an innocent throw away comment which perpetuates the myth about cave diving being extremely dangerous; that's just not true these days. It might seem that way to the uninitiated but unless you are an experienced cave diver you're just not in a position to make that judgement.

Finally, just one point about Mark's comments re God's Bridge Rising. I know that restriction very well and I think one reason it feels easier coming back is that this is downstream and you're not moving against the sharp scallops - which act like Velcro when progressing in an upstream direction. For what it's worth, I think incidents generally sound much worse when recounted in the pub than when they actually happen. Mark is a very experienced cave diver (he and I are in the same club); if you read his account carefully it's obvious he was not panicking and responded appropriately to a potentially difficult scenario.

One problem is that tales of underwater mishaps have a habit of becoming embellished as a result of the Chinese whispers factor - then they quickly become embedded in caving folklore as the "truth". In such circumstances, if you actually speak to those concerned and get the real facts - you'll often find things were quite different from the popular stories which circulate.

As the old insurance ad said: "Don't turn an incident into a crisis".  ;)

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2018, 11:26:02 am »

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2018, 06:59:16 am »
Again, it's in Race Against Time. The boy was fine since he found an airbell about 40 foot along the sump and waited there for hours. Divers found him and brought him back. All this is IIRC - can someone with a copy of the book get more precise details than this, please?

I can get my hands on a copy later, I'll take a look at the precise details if you like.

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2018, 04:54:46 pm »
Wowzers!  I think the CapN will have found it himself at somepoint in the last 12 years.    :thumbsup:

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2018, 05:37:03 pm »
Be good to know what it says, after all these years!
"That, of course, is the dangerous part about caves:  you don't know how far they go back, sometimes... or what is waiting for you inside."   JRR Tolkein: "The Hobbit"

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Re: Worst case senario ?
« Reply #86 on: July 11, 2018, 06:33:26 am »
Wowzers!  I think the CapN will have found it himself at somepoint in the last 12 years.    :thumbsup:

Just spotted the date - God to know I've got my finger on the pulse  :)