Nothing is "struggling", Pete. The main thrust of the post that sparked this interest in my memory was the dignified way in which officers used to perform their roles, and which appears in some instances to no longer be the case.
Nothing is "struggling", Pete. I am really not that bothered whether anyone believes me or not. This is a place where we should be free to express our views, and without being pursued to identify ourselves. The main thrust of the post that sparked this interest in my memory was the dignified way in which officers used to perform their roles, and which appears in some instances to no longer be the case.
Quote from: BradW on January 16, 2018, 09:35:31 amNothing is "struggling", Pete. The main thrust of the post that sparked this interest in my memory was the dignified way in which officers used to perform their roles, and which appears in some instances to no longer be the case.Can you give us 'some instances' please Brad?
Quote from: Madness on January 16, 2018, 01:03:18 pmQuote from: BradW on January 16, 2018, 09:35:31 amNothing is "struggling", Pete. The main thrust of the post that sparked this interest in my memory was the dignified way in which officers used to perform their roles, and which appears in some instances to no longer be the case.Can you give us 'some instances' please Brad?Ask yourself how this campaign against Linda Wilson first started (not just on UKCaving) and who is most likely to have conducted it.
It's no secret that my views on CROW access differ strongly from Linda Wilson's. But I think an unpleasantly personal tone has begun to creep into some parts of this thread, and this doesn't help those of us in favour of open access win converts. If anything, it's going to put them off.As stated, I don't agree with Linda about access, but her ideas about, for example, improving the BCA's media profile are excellent. I had a conversation with her recently in which we both agreed that people who hold different opinions on some subjects ought nonetheless to look for common ground, and treat each other with respect. So could we now perhaps move on? It's evident she isn't going to be the BCA's legal officer, but she has much to give the organisation in other ways. Let's accept our differences and argue our positions fiercely, but avoid denigrating our opponents.
Ask yourself how this campaign against Linda Wilson first started (not just on UKCaving) and who is most likely to have conducted it.
Quote from: BradW on January 16, 2018, 02:16:59 pmAsk yourself how this campaign against Linda Wilson first started (not just on UKCaving) and who is most likely to have conducted it.I'm not sure what paranoid fantasy you've got cooking in your head, but I assure you, no-one "conducts" me. I say things exactly as I see them, much to the consternation of people on both sides of the issue. It's not a campaign, it's genuine concerns that you're hell-bent on brushing off. The brushing off is part of the reason so many people are pushing this issue. LW has done a gross mis-service to the members over many years, and that needs to be dealt with.
In conclusion, if a matter of someone's appointment is being questioned, then the only place such debate should take place is between those charged with making that appointment, and not plastered all over the internet. THAT is highlyirresponsible and shameful behaviour.
Quote from: Madness on January 16, 2018, 01:03:18 pmQuote from: BradW on January 16, 2018, 09:35:31 amNothing is "struggling", Pete. The main thrust of the post that sparked this interest in my memory was the dignified way in which officers used to perform their roles, and which appears in some instances to no longer be the case.Can you give us 'some instances' please Brad?Brad, you have insinuated that an officer/officers of the BCA do not perform their roles in a 'dignified way'.Can you elaborate please?
there have been plenty of opportunities for those with the means to do so to stop this damaging debate from continuing.
stop this damaging debate from continuing.
In conclusion, if a matter of someone's appointment is being questioned, then the only place such debate should take place is between those charged with making that appointment, and not plastered all over the internet. THAT is highly irresponsible and shameful behaviour.
Quote from: BradW on January 16, 2018, 03:35:09 pm there have been plenty of opportunities for those with the means to do so to stop this damaging debate from continuing. its you thats helping to keep it going. Thread subject was in the the minutes of the October meeting of the BCA Council, or have I missed something. Where does 'leaked reports' fit into it, its getting like the Trump dossier.
The leaked document BradW refers to is without doubt an email circulated to BCA Council prior to the January meeting. This was one of several representations on the subject of this thread that were discussed by the council.
Paul - the document I have is addressed to council. The wider membership were not, and should not, be consulted on a decision like this that is to be made within council. Particularly one with sensitive overtones. I stand by my thinking on this. If council thought it should have wider consideration before making a decision then fine. But it didn't.