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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2018, 09:48:04 pm »
I think you would struggle to demonstrate that with some facts.

How many digs has the landowner been actively involved underground? - I can think of 3 on Mendip...

Mike

One in N.Wales.

Gave him a guided tour of parts he wasn't previously able to get to (without Ladders, lifelines etc), and he's helped us shift a fair bit of stuff out. It eventually pinched down and doesn't go, but he was as enthusiastic as we were.
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2018, 09:50:44 pm »
Has the Templeton gate been finished yet ? :(

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2018, 11:06:39 pm »
The bit where the CSCC didn't bother their arses to put it on the most widely read caving forum, when they put it elsewhere, speaks volumes when it's been in other places for a while now.

A lot of cavers get their info from elsewhere, as they've been put off by this forum, as it is dominated by a few overly angry "mano-pausal" men, as you're nicely demonstrating. :spank:

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2018, 09:26:34 am »
The bit where the CSCC didn't bother their arses to put it on the most widely read caving forum, when they put it elsewhere, speaks volumes when it's been in other places for a while now.

A lot of cavers get their info from elsewhere, as they've been put off by this forum, as it is dominated by a few overly angry "mano-pausal" men, as you're nicely demonstrating. :spank:

Thank goodness that at least I am post " mano-pausal " so that means that I can comment on anything without rancour.  One could say that I am drifting towards senility so my excuse for occasional outbursts may lie there. I have always thought that being bland is the ultimate character crime. People with odd opinions should be appreciated and it means that more forum talk is generated by such. One has to be careful not to be too rude or offensive but these odd flaws are covered for me by my lurch into the Seventh Age. ( though not quite sans everything ). Lets face it the forum would die if it became bland and agreeable to all. More mud raking please .
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2018, 09:43:38 am »
How many of the members who criticise others on the forums actually post anything constructive?
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2018, 09:54:39 am »
" A photo is worth a thousand words " :coffee:

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2018, 09:59:54 am »
" A photo is worth a thousand words " :coffee:
Would never criticise you OR.  :)
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2018, 01:43:57 pm »
Could we, like, have photos of the new CSCC padlocks?
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2018, 01:44:48 pm »
A lot of cavers get their info from elsewhere, as they've been put off by this forum, as it is dominated by a few overly angry "mano-pausal" men, as you're nicely demonstrating. :spank:
True.

... People with odd opinions should be appreciated and it means that more forum talk is generated by such. One has to be careful not to be too rude or offensive .... Lets face it the forum would die if it became bland and agreeable to all....
True.

Both And and OR have made good points, and together demonstrate that a sensible balance between care and bravado is perhaps the thing to aim for.

What do people hope to gain from joining any forum such as this?

There are probably as many reasons as there are members. Condensing this to a few categories (together with my own views on each):

1 - Find friends and contacts - no problem here at all.
2 - Use as a channel to promote useful information, especially if you represent a caving-related body. Like key changes! Great.
3 - Ask for advice and help - excellent reason to join up, even if the reason goes once you have got what you wanted.
4 - Promote your personal project, aims and objectives in the caving world. This has the potential to be a problem! But can be a positive thing, of course.
5 - Promote your group's interest (rather than your own) to other cavers. Go for it.
6 - Primarily to confront others - this probably won't end well, especially if deliberately conflated with "promotion of a personal interest". But confrontation is not always a bad thing, provided it is done responsibly.

There is no easy way to manage this heterogenous mix of reasons, or the people concerned.

It is probably those in groups 4 and 6, and the bad interactions between them that deter everyone else from contributing, and that might be evident in the matter of the CSCC key news.

If everyone tempers the way they get involved, maybe the forum would work better?

The opposite of what OR said is also true - if there is too much confrontation, it WILL kill the forum.



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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2018, 02:35:15 pm »
Could we, like, have photos of the new CSCC padlocks?


Scale included, because I know someone would complain.  ;D

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2018, 06:41:40 pm »
Just so I know why do you have to go to a caving club to pick up the keys? What if no one is in (during the week) or they simply don't like you because you are from up north.

This is why I think they should be held at a pub as well, then no one can say anyone is empire building.

I remember how hard it was trying to get the Drenen key, so much so I have not bothered going back, though from what I read it seems I just need to pick a spot on the ground and dig down a few feet to get in lol.
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2018, 07:40:48 pm »
Usually there are one or more people to contact and arrange things in advance rather than just turn up.

I thought all people from up Norf were lovely :kiss2:

Of course you can always inquire here on the forum. The fount of all caving knowledge.   :blink:

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2018, 07:56:29 pm »
Just so I know why do you have to go to a caving club to pick up the keys?

The clue is in the name: CSCC

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2018, 09:07:45 pm »
Just so I know why do you have to go to a caving club to pick up the keys?

The clue is in the name: CSCC

Doesn't have to be a caving club? You can get one here!  ;D
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2018, 10:09:00 pm »
Just so I know why do you have to go to a caving club to pick up the keys? What if no one is in (during the week) or they simply don't like you because you are from up north.

This is why I think they should be held at a pub as well, then no one can say anyone is empire building.

I remember how hard it was trying to get the Drenen key, so much so I have not bothered going back, though from what I read it seems I just need to pick a spot on the ground and dig down a few feet to get in lol.


Mendip isn't a very large area and there are quite a number of local cavers. I'm sure if you contact one of the Mendip clubs a key could fairly easily be arranged whether for a weekend or midweek trip. In case of difficulty contact the CSCC Conservation and Access Officer.

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2018, 11:39:41 pm »
Spider Hole now has the new CSCC lock.

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2018, 10:20:56 am »
I remember how hard it was trying to get the Drenen key, so much so I have not bothered going back, though from what I read it seems I just need to pick a spot on the ground and dig down a few feet to get in lol.

Since October, there has been a new PDCMG Permit Secretary (Dan Thorne) who lives fairly locally. It should now not be so hard to get a key and I am sure he would love to hear from you (when I last spoke to him in early December he had received only a single application and the person who made it then changed their mind and failed to pick up the key!).

Otherwise, there are two ungated "non approved" entrances (Drws Cefn & Nunnery) on open access (and urban common) land where keys are not required.

All much easier than digging your own way in, I can assure you!

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2018, 02:50:12 pm »
Could we, like, have photos of the new CSCC padlocks?


Scale included, because I know someone would complain.  ;D

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Good choice I didn't expect them to be that good.

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2018, 03:57:20 pm »
Yes, thanks for the photo Maj. I happen to have the same type of padlocks on my outdoor locker up here in the Lake District. Pretty good as it happens.
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2018, 10:54:53 pm »
Bloody hell, what a load of bickering over nothing. They are only changing the keys because they can't get blanks for the old ones any more.
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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2018, 12:20:21 pm »
Cuckoo Cleeves has the new lock now as well.
That's not going to fit!

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2018, 02:38:01 pm »
 Priddy Green Sink has new CSCC padlock

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2018, 08:29:35 pm »
Priddy Green Sink has new CSCC padlock

With respect Ali.. That could count as your shortest caving trip!  :)

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2018, 05:54:22 pm »
Priddy Green Sink has new CSCC padlock

With respect Ali.. That could count as your shortest caving trip!  :)

Didn't even get out of daylight.  ;D

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Re: New CSCC padlocks
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2018, 06:25:09 pm »
Bet there's a long queue for Priddy Green bookings!