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Which descender do you use?

Petzl Simple
28 (28.6%)
Petzl Stop
46 (46.9%)
Petzl Grigri
0 (0%)
Petzl Rig
4 (4.1%)
Kong Banana
5 (5.1%)
Rack
12 (12.2%)
Other
3 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 98

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Offline JoW

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Which descender do you use?
« on: November 30, 2018, 08:20:34 am »
Just for fun... I'm interested to know which descenders people are mainly using underground?

I think I've included options for most of the things I've seen people using.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2018, 08:34:19 am »
I can't vote for 2 things.
This last year of caving: 75% RIG2 and 25% Stop. Previous 15 years: 100% Stop.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2018, 08:39:25 am »
I can't vote for 2 things.
This last year of caving: 75% RIG2 and 25% Stop. Previous 15 years: 100% Stop.

Thanks Pete, I did that on purpose as I wanted to know what people were currently mainly using. Otherwise I thought it would skew the results as someone might for example mainly use a stop but occasionally use a simple but if they voted for both it would make the lesser used one appear unrepresentatively over used in the results.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2018, 08:56:45 am »
Hmmm like Pete if it's pure srt then rig, if there's muddy tight caving and/or the rope is covered in mud or we're using 9mm then the stop.
I guess the majority of the last year I'd have to say a rig.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2018, 10:53:07 am »
Any news on when the new stop might be available, it's not in petzl's releases for Jan 2O19?

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2018, 11:08:03 am »
Any news on when the new stop might be available, it's not in petzl's releases for Jan 2O19?

I've not heard of when the release date will be but I can confirm the prototype I have is still going strong. It took some getting used to but I really like it.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2018, 02:44:34 pm »
Any news on when the new stop might be available, it's not in petzl's releases for Jan 2O19?
New stop? Are there any details of this?

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2018, 03:56:00 pm »
Not able to Vote, but I use a Petzl Stop

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2018, 04:48:36 pm »
Gravity and my two legs

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2018, 01:26:26 am »
Any news on when the new stop might be available, it's not in petzl's releases for Jan 2O19?

I've not heard of when the release date will be but I can confirm the prototype I have is still going strong. It took some getting used to but I really like it.

Mark

are you able to reveal what about it took some getting used to? change of designs/functions or additional friction to it?

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 06:14:53 pm »
Unfortunately I'm bound by a NDA so can't say too much other than it has 2 x stainless (non changeable) bobbins and no more 'Clutch & Plummet'. The control handle works more like a Grilllon/GriGri so that took some getting used to.

Thats all I can say i'm afraid.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 11:53:29 pm »
I split my rappelling pretty evenly between a micro-rack, Italian hitch, and an old steel ring I found in the barn.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 10:55:32 am »
Unfortunately I'm bound by a NDA so can't say too much other than it has 2 x stainless (non changeable) bobbins and no more 'Clutch & Plummet'. The control handle works more like a Grilllon/GriGri so that took some getting used to.

Thats all I can say i'm afraid.

Mark

oooh intrigued.. assume due to the change in design it might end up being rated to be 'c' rigged or am I asking too many questions?!

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2018, 11:07:02 am »
I hope it's not totally like the action on a GriGri, as I hate abseiling on them...

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 12:20:09 pm »
The new Stop is likely to be tested against the EN341A (rescue descender) standard, just as the current version is, so most unlikely it will be 'Rated' to be 'C' rigged. The current Stop isn't 'Rated' for anything other than the correct 'S' rigging.

Any 'half' or other such non-standard loading will be entirely at the discretion of the end user who will take full responsibility for such use.

As I said in a previous post, the action of the control handle takes some getting used to.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2018, 01:39:49 pm »
The new Stop is likely to be tested against the EN341A (rescue descender) standard, just as the current version is, so most unlikely it will be 'Rated' to be 'C' rigged. The current Stop isn't 'Rated' for anything other than the correct 'S' rigging.

Any 'half' or other such non-standard loading will be entirely at the discretion of the end user who will take full responsibility for such use.

As I said in a previous post, the action of the control handle takes some getting used to.

Mark

cool, thanks for the snippets mark :)

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2018, 02:20:14 pm »
I should probably buy a replacement handle and top bobbin before they stop manufacturing.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
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Re: Which descender do you use?
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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2018, 03:11:40 pm »
I answered "Other", but maybe should have ticked "Rack". I use one of these Micro Racks from USA:

http://onrope1.com/descending-equipment/bms-micro-rack-short/

Small, light, easy to maintain, easy to use :thumbsup:
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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2018, 03:37:33 pm »
I answered "Other", but maybe should have ticked "Rack". I use one of these Micro Racks from USA:

http://onrope1.com/descending-equipment/bms-micro-rack-short/

Small, light, easy to gmaintain, easy to use :thumbsup:

My short frame bms has wooden bars. I use the slightly longer bms frame normally since I'm scrawny and usually riding on cruddy 11mm rope. I agree that they are an excellent product.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2018, 04:12:07 pm »
I've been thinking about one of these for a while now - are they still reasonably controllable on something like 9mm? Presumably it's just a case of nipping up the bars a bit for thinner rope? Or does a single turn around the hyper-bar before the braking krab help more? I'm quite happy with stainless friction surfaces as opposed to aluminium.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 04:28:02 pm »
I've been thinking about one of these for a while now - are they still reasonably controllable on something like 9mm? Presumably it's just a case of nipping up the bars a bit for thinner rope? Or does a single turn around the hyper-bar before the braking krab help more? I'm quite happy with stainless friction surfaces as opposed to aluminium.

Very controllable with 9mm. There is no need to adjust bars, unlike a traditional long frame rack. In fact it's not really possible to spread or jam the bars. I have never seen anyone use a micro rack with a braking carabiner. The hyperbar is more than adequate to provide whatever friction is needed. I do have opposed hyperbars in both the top and third position, but this is to enable quick "soft" lockoffs for changeovers or examining/navigating my route. While you easily could ride with both hyperbars engaged, I've never had any need to.

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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2018, 04:47:36 pm »
Same, no probs with adjustability and never used a breaking krab. The third hyperbar option looks useful for lockoffs  :thumbsup:
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Re: Which descender do you use?
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2018, 07:43:12 pm »
Thanks both for the info, and no need for a braking krab is even better as it's one less bit of kit on the D-ring, though I did recently invest in a brand-new Raumer Handy. I'm sure I could offload that ;)