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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2019, 09:58:11 am »
I think that the fee at Alum Pot (£1/head) is not for parking (I think it's a green lane). The fee is for crossing the private land leading up to Alum Pot and then accessing the caves not on open access land. If I'm right on this then it means you can park on Alum Pot lane and walk to Birkwith without paying the charge. However, this is not necessarily a good situation as Alum Pot lane is often already very busy anyway, and adding the traffic for the Birkwith caves (which may include lots of vehicles particularly around university first terms) will cause serious congestion, which would be best avoided to keep good local relations in Selside. I'm sure Tim and Alan, who are pursuing this for the CNCC, will come up with some sensible options and suggestions  ;D
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2019, 12:19:58 pm »
I took the path from Selside to High Birkwith (on the bike)
marked on OS map as a public footpath (no bridleway rights for bike riding)
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2019, 10:09:12 pm »
Yes, Matt, you're right on your understanding of the Alum Pot fee. Don't know if it's still there, but at one time there was a notice at the top of the lane basically saying "if you want to go any further you need to go and pay your fee".

I suppose the obvious solution would be to harmonise the fees at Selside and Birkwith so there was no great advantage to parking at Selside if you wanted to go to Birkwith.

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2019, 08:53:43 pm »
I can understand a charge for minibuses which do tend to be commercial outfits but expecting the average visitor to pay £10/car is downright unreasonable, greedy, and if you ask me, lacking in foresight, with the hassle caused by folk parking along the main lane leading to High Birkwith instead.   

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2019, 09:06:52 pm »
In my uni club, we used to bring a minibus on freshers trips to the High Birkwith caves, so not just commercial outfits. Mind you, at £15 that's only £1 each, which wouldn't even get you half a pint in a student bar!

£10 for a car does seem steep, but it's still only £2 each if you fill the car. It will certainly encourage car sharing though, which might well be what they are trying to achieve, reducing vehicle access, rather than just being greedy.
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2019, 09:22:07 pm »
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2019, 09:49:57 pm »
One of the key messages Andrew and Alan took away from their meetings at High Birkwith is that this is nothing to do with greed. In proportion to the purchase price of High Birkwith I don't think the revenue this will generate is of any significance; plus the money will be put towards maintaining the parking area and honesty box. The aim is more to try to avoid lots of cars turning up by encouraging car sharing (a full car being only £2pp, and a full minibus much less).

They could have disallowed parking altogether. At least the option for this is still there should you wish.
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2019, 10:43:50 pm »
Apologies for appearing curt with my prior comment, I can of course appreciate their good intentions, and although it may not be driven by greed, for those of us who wouldn't generally be visiting with a car full of chums to split the cost, £10 is still an unreasonable ask for what it is.       
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2019, 11:25:30 am »
I guess it's their land and their prerogative to manage things this way. Their position on access to the caves themselves is superb. For cavers who are struggling to afford the charge for parking, it's possible to walk in less far, less steeply and probably with less gear than you would, say, for a trip in the GG system. I don't think we can complain too much.

By the way, many thanks to those who have been negotiating on our behalf. It could have ended up far worse.

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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2019, 11:30:13 am »
Simon......£10 still less than a pack of fags and a pint.

Almost on par with climbing wall price. How about free parking and £8 per person so it's same as other sport venues?

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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2019, 11:45:45 am »
I think their point is the parking charge is an understandable attempt to limit the number of vehicles. They've been very generous as far as visiting the actual caves is concerned.

As a general point (thinking of the country as a whole) I detest the efforts of the so called "parking industry" to extort money from us all at every opportunity. This case is different though and I think we've come out of it a lot better than we might otherwise have done.

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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2019, 02:43:25 pm »
Simon......£10 still less than a pack of fags and a pint.

Almost on par with climbing wall price. How about free parking and £8 per person so it's same as other sport venues?

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when was the last time you bought a pack of fags? be lucky to pick up a pack for less than a tenner alone!