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Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« on: January 16, 2019, 09:05:01 pm »
I'm just trying to locate a reference I once saw, about when Robin Hood's Mill (between Giggleswick and Stainforth) was excavated - particularly as I think it refers to some bones that were found. (This is partly on behalf of someone else who is also interested in the bones.) Can anyone point me in the right direction for this original exploration account? It's long collapsed and covered over, so it's not possible to go look directly.

Also, does anyone know who did the excavation - and when?

(Beardy - the reference I remember seeing isn't either of the two in the NC database; if the one I'm thinking of emerges I'll add it to the database.) I've definitely read it somewhere but I'm blowed if I can remember where.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2019, 11:08:18 am »
There is a mention of pre-war excavation on the site by cavers in the following link http://www.jacksoneditorial.co.uk/tag/little-stainforth/

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 12:42:12 pm »
& one of the risings by Ingleborough showcave also seems to have been known as robin hood's mill.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 08:03:20 pm »
Thanks both - I'll have a browse through those tomorrow.

I don't think they're the contemporary account of the main excavation but there may be items of interest in there anyway.

Mike - yes - if you go past Ingleborough Cave and through the gate just past Clapham Beck Head, there's a low undercut cliff off to the left. You can hear the main river from the surface there - I think that's what was formerly called Robin Hood's Mill. It wasn't till the BPC dug open an entrance a little further up valley from this cliff (early 1950s I think) that the water was accessed in what is known to most these days as "Beck Head Stream Cave". However, the Bradford team which found this cave actually named it "Beck Head Stream Passage" - so I think that's the cave's real name!

But that's not the Robin Hood's Mill of interest to us . . . .

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2019, 02:47:23 pm »
There is a mention of the cave in the Bulletin of the Speleological Society 1940 Volume 1
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7JxPAAAAYAAJ&q="robin+hood's+mill"
not sure if that is relevant to tracking down the excavation report

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2019, 03:47:20 pm »
Thanks for suggesting that; I never expected the NSS to be a source of information on a (relatively) obscure cave in the Dales!

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2019, 06:48:54 pm »
Google Search is a wonder, but isn't always as accurate as Andy C's post suggests.

The NSS Bulletin does indeed have an entry for Robin Hood's Mill Cave, but:
- it is in Bulletin 8 from 1946 (rather than No.1, from 1940) [ http://caving-library.org.uk/catalogue/BCL/code/php/library.php?action=search&lib=&type=any&search=author&search_string=Robert%20E.%20Morgan%20and%20Frank%20Solari ]
- it the name only in a long list of 'Caves of the British Isles', with references (and surveys for Goyden and Lost John's), where available
- that particular entry is from a personal list compiled by Frank Solari, and noted as having no further information available.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2019, 06:52:19 pm »
Hm, none of these is the original excavation reference though. I spoke to a mate this evening and he remembers reading it too - somewhere. So it must exist.

But thanks, anyway.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2019, 08:53:31 pm »
If there were bones found, might the write-up be in an archaeological journal? Just a thought...
Dirty old mines need love too....

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2019, 07:50:25 am »
Thanks - it may be - but none of the likely local archaeological folk consulted so far know of any such report.

The one I've seen was definitely in a caving publication.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2019, 08:33:42 am »
Can't find anything in Gerald Platten collection at Wells museum, but you might find other stuff of interest:
http://www.mcra.org.uk/logbooks/index.php?display=Gerard%20Platten%2FPage%2021.JPG

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2019, 08:43:41 am »
Oo - that looks like interesting resource!

Cheers for looking into the Gerard Platten archive for us.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2019, 09:01:22 am »
It's a load of scrapbooks with articles published from all over the world, mostly between the wars. Unfortunately some are missing.

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2019, 09:35:50 am »
& it was Gerard (not Gerald, my spellcheck mistake)

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Re: Robin Hood's Mill - references?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2019, 08:32:41 pm »
Finally found it! The text I'd remembered reading is in Albert Mitchell's "Yorkshire Caves and Potholes" North Ribblesdale book. I knew I'd seen it somewhere. In the 1948 edition it's on pages 11 & 12.

It doesn't mention any bones but it does confirm that the excavation of RHM near Stainforth was done by members of the Craven Pothole Club in 1930 (when the club was just a year old). It also gives details of the legend of the disappearing mill.

I'll put a note in the NC database about this.