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Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:24:00 pm »
Anybody seen the dead lesser horseshoe hanging in Bunker's Hole?

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 08:29:20 pm »
Clearly less of a horseshoe now than it used to be.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 08:31:04 pm »
Despite being dead, you'll be unsurprised to hear that UK legislation still protects it from being removed and in the possession of anyone who does not have a licence to store it.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 08:38:00 pm »
Despite being dead, you'll be unsurprised to hear that UK legislation still protects it from being removed and in the possession of anyone who does not have a licence to store it.

Rightly so, otherwise the unscrupulous can "just find" things, can't they.
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 08:41:56 pm »
At least we are still allowed to talk about it.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 08:43:15 pm »

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 08:44:27 pm »
The thread title would make a good song title.
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 08:48:58 pm »
Don't tell me i shouldn't have photographed it :o

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 08:50:19 pm »
The thread title would make a good song title.
Or a spaghetti western film title.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 08:52:44 pm »
Cue the Morricone theme.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 08:53:07 pm »
Don't tell me i shouldn't have photographed it :o

Worry not, young Peter, I'm sure that your flash did not disturb it.  :coffee:
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 09:00:32 pm »
I'm pretty sure ownership of a photograph of a dead bat isn't going to result in a guanostorm. Does beg the question, though, of how you are able to ascertain whether it was indeed dead (rather than just resting, maybe tuckered out after a long squeek) before you took the photograph. Perhaps you should be prosecuted just to be on the safe side.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 09:09:19 pm »
Gunfight on the main street at noon might be the best way to settle this one.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 09:32:35 pm »
My legal advisor considers it highly unlikely that a prosecution for intent to disturb would be successful.
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 09:46:39 pm »
At least we are still allowed to talk about it.

Enjoy the freedom while it lasts!

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 09:48:23 pm »
How DID you know it was dead if it was still hanging on?   :confused:
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 10:11:44 pm »
They have this special tendon that locks under the bat's weight :smartass: Also I haven't seem live bats look as manky as this one did!

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 11:12:40 pm »
I thought Bunkers Hole was closed  >:(

Cave Area Grid Ref Length Vertical Range Altitude Class Description Access Source Date Notes References
Bunkers Hole    SX 735:652  180  6  80      No current access    01/01/1998   DSS (102) 


from:  The Devon and Cornwall Underground Council Web Site     http://www.dcuc.org.uk/

I specificly checked as I was down there at the weekend and wanted to visit. 

So what's going on ?    :-\


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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2010, 09:26:26 am »
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Also I haven't seem live bats look as manky as this one did

Obviously bats do die from all sorts of causes, but have you checked to see if it is white nose fungus related (not all bats show the classic white nose)? - or was it really too manky?

I'm sure someone needs to know if we do have white nose occuring in the UK.
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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2010, 10:11:28 am »
Bunker's Hole is partly closed but the farmer won't like if you haven't paid him. There is very little passage in the 'old' cave - which is where the deceased bat is. The extension is locked securely. there is another cave in the quarry known as Shaky Cave that contains a short section of active streamway ending in undiveable sumps. Nearby is Potters Wood Mine.  I know a bit about WNS as I was in the states last summer and we had to constantly disinfect our kit. Our local bat expert didn't think it was WNS and neither do I. A bat a metre away was perfectly healthy as were the other bats.  LH's are highly mobile and seem to move around underground even in winter - personal observations over many years. Incidentally anybody seen any ringed bats about. It is feasible as they are long lived althugh I think the bat ringing program probably stopped decades ago. I once saw one in Reservoir Hole in 1968!

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2010, 09:33:13 am »
Potters Wood is has been and always will be the area of Bunkers/Shaky. The mine/cave over the fence is has been and always will be called white Cleave. I don't know where the misinformation has come from but it has resulted in the confusion re access; DCUC had permission from the farmer for Potters Wood (ie Bunkers/Shaky) but NOT White Cleave as it's not on his land (the owners live on the other side of buckfastleigh). I assume/hope DSS have permission from the latter for any digging there.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2010, 09:45:32 am »
anybody seen any ringed bats about.

When you say ringed, do you mean on the leg, like they do with birds, or on their wing?
I've seen a few GHBs with rings on their wings last autumn, that was in a stone mine in Gloucestershire.

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Re: Dead Bat hanging in Bunker's Hole
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2010, 09:15:31 am »
The dead bat was removed and I sent it to the VLA for EBL testing and thus fungal culture (testing for White nose).  However the bat turned out to be too decomposed for any tests to be carried out.  One other bat was noted at the site when the dead one was collected but this looked entirely healthy. 
All we can do is keep a look out for dead bats and  or ones with white fungus on them. 
As for access to Bunkers I am one of the leaders and have a key.  We are always willing to take groups (of up to 4) down the cave, as it may be small but worth a visit.  I'm also on DCUC and we do have a new website, currently sat here  www.kingsbridgeoutdoors.org.uk/dcuc  but even that needs improving.
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