My mistake

If I remember correctly, you go rock climbing. Do you have liability insurance for that?

Yep I guess if there was a competitive caving league it would make sense for there to be some insurance. But there's not. Perhaps I'm just being an interfering busybody or totally missing a crucial point, and if that's the case I'm happy to be told as much.

Many people have expressed this argument and I understand the logic. What evidence do we have that it's actually something worth worrying about?

I'm the OP - I thought it was worth having a separate thread because the topic was encroaching on the memes thread. I am also anti-enforced insurance. I don't know where I stand on the BCA because I don't what the BCA does. I have read the statements that someone shared a link to - they seem...

Apologies

If people falling down those holes is a genuine concern (by which I mean it has happened or was genuinely about to happen) then a fence or dry stone wall seems sensible.

Yes that's how I understand it Chris.

I admit I'm not going to trawl through the minutes, so I am relying on volunteer good will and time to share some details about what gets done, and fair enough if that's not forthcoming - it's not their job to educate me. I keep wondering about other outdoor stuff that I like to do, like...

And now that we have CRoW...

Yes, there are a few trips which require it, but in general it's not needed

Perhaps it would be helpful if some BCA volunteers (by which I mean people who do BCA work) could write down exactly what the BCA does?

This feels like oversimplification to me. Why shouldn't people be able to be in a club without paying for insurance they don't want?

Please would you let people write their own replies?

The insurance is national, isn't it? Or do you mean something else? Competitive pricing is good, but insurance is absolutely not required to go caving (in some areas at least; I don't speak for areas I'm not familiar with). For example in the Dales we are now encouraged to assume we have a...

Would an admin find it easy to move the relevant posts over? If not we can copy and paste them to try to keep it coherent.

Where I cave, this isn't the case. It might be the case in other areas in the UK. If that's correct, perhaps regionally administered insurance might work.

I tend towards the "I'm not sure we need the BCA" side of the discussion at the moment. I particularly resent having to pay into the insurance scheme in order to be a member of a club. I do recognise and appreciate the large amount of money that is collected (?) and distributed by the BCA.

Shall we start a separate thread and go back to amusing memes here? Moderator comment: posts moved here from Memes thread in Idle Chat as requested.

There is a PDF guide translated into English. I can send it by email if you let me have your email address by direct message? Unsolicited advice: The guided through trip on the Swiss border (name escapes me) is well worth it - you exit approximately one metre from a caving hut. Take sandwiches...