Hurtle Pot no.2 7/5/17

[EwanCameron]

No soap box Ewan, I just get really really sick of stripping inappropriate line out of Hurtle. Its dangerous and to be perfectly honest I have better things to be doing. If I dont say anything then people think that its okay to put this shite in there and suddenly its an absolute deathtrap and one of us pegs it.

We, as in the CDG, have been doing this for over 70 years. We have developed methods of pushing our sumps in the most extreme conditions. I'd like to think that at least some of us (myself not included!) know what we're doing.

Likewise sick of old line being left but sadly no ones gives a shit so just have to crack on and get on with it

We would all like others to do things as far as line goes but sadly people like you say have better things to do [emoji1303][emoji23]


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[EwanCameron]

Didn't know the Nitterdale cave sumps were 100's of metres long !

When there's 4 lots of old line left in there don't take much length of the sump to make 100's of M of floating line in a cloud like there was in Sump 2 up stream in New Goydens

And I believe the lofthhouse dives are 100's of M long and still yet to be pushed for K's to connect to new Goydens


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[EwanCameron]

The loose line removed in down stream new goyden was hanging like curtains in sump 2 mainly.  It was very old stuff of the orange 6mm poly variety.  Personally I would prefer to patch gaps as and when faced with the situation with 6mm poly any day of the week.  But the stuff removed from nidderdale (new goyden) was very old and possibly the stuff originally laid by either griffiths or shackleton.  But then again could be a mix of what rich or chris jewell put in circa 2007?  Dunno.  I have a picture of it if ya wants?

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Yes plz JC have you got the one of the mass pile outside on the floor after the dive I've only got the one of the stuff we pulled out the air bell the week before


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[NotCEmarked]

Likewise sick of old line being left but sadly no ones gives a shit so just have to crack on and get on with it

Hi Ewan,

Lines found in UK sumps are generally, far from perfect.

As JC has previously mentioned, much of it dates back to the original explorations so worst case, 1945. I cannot speak directly for them but imagine that the cavers whom explored these caves weren't that mindful of tourists that may follow in decades to come.

Could we cleanse the UK of old dive line?There are over 645 caves listed in the Northern Sump Index alone. Which ones would you like us to start with?

Crack on.

Cheers, Steve





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[jcarter5826]

Gnarly

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[ah147]

I dunno. Looks much tamer than if it was a few hundred m of 2mm nylon....

Also, there's only about 80m of line in that picture. Very neatly coiled 200m of polyprop ends up about half that size.

That ain't neatly coiled.

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[ah147]

.... the cavers whom explored these caves weren't that mindful of tourists...




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On this note, I can vouch first hand (and the report is on here somewhere for one of them) of having a hairy experience with some 30 year old, 1mm thick polyprop at the far reaches of 2 caves.

On speaking to the person who laid both lines the answer I got was "well, we never really expected anyone else to go there"



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[EwanCameron]

Likewise sick of old line being left but sadly no ones gives a shit so just have to crack on and get on with it

Hi Ewan,

Lines found in UK sumps are generally, far from perfect.

As JC has previously mentioned, much of it dates back to the original explorations so worst case, 1945. I cannot speak directly for them but imagine that the cavers whom explored these caves weren't that mindful of tourists that may follow in decades to come.

Could we cleanse the UK of old dive line?There are over 645 caves listed in the Northern Sump Index alone. Which ones would you like us to start with?

Crack on.

Cheers, Steve





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I've already started mate will keep you posted [emoji1303]🤣


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[EwanCameron]

I dunno. Looks much tamer than if it was a few hundred m of 2mm nylon....

Also, there's only about 80m of line in that picture. Very neatly coiled 200m of polyprop ends up about half that size.

That ain't neatly coiled.

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I've got 200m of yellow nasty 200m tech line I took off a reel to swap for 6mm

It's a right fucking mess I've had and half of it to line wall building projects at the house [emoji23]


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[jcarter5826]

I dunno. Looks much tamer than if it was a few hundred m of 2mm nylon....

Also, there's only about 80m of line in that picture. Very neatly coiled 200m of polyprop ends up about half that size.

That ain't neatly coiled.

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Aye.  It were stuffed in a tackle sack and dived out.  Neat package.  Anyway...its a no brainer aint it? 6mm in active uk sumps.  Simple.

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