r_walklate said:How many times do you go out and see 'bad practice'?
I would personally like to see the licence cover adults
Maybe the industry needs more regulation other than AALS
ian.p said:I think you are wrong hear Hammy i voulenteer with a couple of non AALA registered childrens organisations one of which takes over 3000 children a year camping,canoing, cycling and caving we pay staff expenses and i dont beleive this has ever caused a problem.The "expenses" idea does not work - any exchange of monies whatsoever brings the activity provision within licensing and the law.
AALA became AALS when it was transferred to the HSE & they did keep the same staff in place.Rhys said:If you ask me, the abolition suggestion derives from the usual pre-election guff from the tories who wanted a "bonfire of the quangos". They automatically assume that such bodies are a pointless waste of money. But, when it actually comes to looking at what many of the quangos do, they realise that many of them are doing a useful job which people want to be done. They could shut the quango down and transfer the work to someone else; HSE for example. But the HSE have already been cut to the bone and have no spare cash or resources to take on the work - they'd probably just end up having to re-employ the people they sacked from the quango. So, after a half-cocked announcement that it's closing, people get left in a limbo not knowing what's going to happen while the muppet politicians try to engineer themselves a face-saving exit strategy.
Rhys
Gollum said:HSE did listen to reason and thats why we still operate on single ropes. If a cave is flooding then if your on single or double ropes with a group you fcuked up.
There are many cave leaders who are actually paddlers, climbers or walkers and don't make the right choices on the day but luckily they are not allowed to take children underground without a licence and so have to operate under a licence holder
I would personally like to see the licence cover adults also so we can get rid of the cowboys within the industry
Burt said:I'm very much in favour of continuing some form of license system.
Pitlamp said:The only problem might be persuading the office wallahs to give up their cushy jobs.
Cap'n Chris said:Burt said:I'm very much in favour of continuing some form of license system.
Regarding caving, would you think it might be acceptable if something along these lines was established?:-
stu said:BCA
BCU
MLTUK
RYA
BASI
Pick an acronym for whichever cycle NGB seems to be flavour of the month.
How much would you suggest each one charges? And since AALS send one inspector to do one visit can I now expect six separate visits?
Pitlamp said:Sounds great Chris. The only problem might be persuading the office wallahs to give up their cushy jobs. Such things tend to be self perpetuating.
Rhys said:Pitlamp said:Sounds great Chris. The only problem might be persuading the office wallahs to give up their cushy jobs. Such things tend to be self perpetuating.
Government really doesn't work like that! Workers generally don't get to decide whether they keep they're jobs or not. It'll be politicians and "accountants" higher up the food chain doing that.
Rhys said:Pitlamp said:Sounds great Chris. The only problem might be persuading the office wallahs to give up their cushy jobs. Such things tend to be self perpetuating.
Government really doesn't work like that! Workers generally don't get to decide whether they keep they're jobs or not. It'll be politicians and "accountants" higher up the food chain doing that.