Well, maybe. But collectively, we are going to have to get used to finding ways to enjoy life that use less of the planet's resources. Because there simply aren't enough to provide for 8bn people enjoying their lives the way we do in this country. I think this is well-established as fact, rather than left-leaning opinion. So exploring ways to do that, while still enjoying caving at home and abroad - as Badlad was trying to do in the original post - seems only sensible. No?...If it boils down to "Is your journey really necessary?" then my answer would always be "yes", because enjoyment of life is necessary.
Unless I am misunderstanding, "carbon offsetting" is about offsetting the impact of using the same amount of the planet's resources, so we can feel good about ourselves while not changing what we are actually doing.But collectively, we are going to have to get used to finding ways to enjoy life that use less of the planet's resources. Because there simply aren't enough to provide for 8bn people enjoying their lives the way we do in this country
There will be no real impact. Back to the OP; I understand there was an HE lecture thing about the suggestion of mandating making a green requirement part of the GPF application. Did that conclude with anything/plans/suggestions?Unfortunately we are going to have to change what we do to have any real impact.
Rob & Wookey are supposed to be doing the talk at 11.15 to 12 on Saturday in lecture theatre 3 (N.B. details can change):
Hidden Earth 2023 | Should the GPF mandate cave expedition carbon offsetting?
It is imperative that international cave exploration adapts to the ongoing climate emergency by better considering the carbon emissions associated with it. Although there is willing among UK expeditions to reduce their carbon footprints (see...hidden.earth
I’m sure it’s possible to enjoy life without screwing over the environment. Just change the way and or what we do. I’m not sure enjoyment of life is necessary- desirable yes. There are millions of people in the world whose lives are abject misery, many in this country, with no way out. This will only get worse while the entitled people at the top continue to trample all over everyone just trying to get by.Rob, I guess what it boils down to is that anything people do will (if you look at life that way) have a "carbon footprint" (what a hateful expression, full of guilt and pervasive crowdswelling tut-tutting) and presumably it's a case of deciding whether (a) you wish to engage in lawful freedom/liberty to enjoy your live/lives howsoever you see fit on the one hand or (b) restrain and restrict your fullness of existence by adhering to a weird religion of carbon counting. If it boils down to "Is your journey really necessary?" then my answer would always be "yes", because enjoyment of life is necessary.
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That is a fair point. I guess it does come down to morals.I for one can no longer find any moral justification for flying to some far flung destination to lie on a beach or crawl down a hole. ‘Offset’ or not. There’s so much fun available closer to home. Some people just can’t or won’t see that.
I agree & that's the problem our right to freedom means no one (including myself) wants to change their lifestyles despite knowing I should.Well, maybe. But collectively, we are going to have to get used to finding ways to enjoy life that use less of the planet's resources. Because there simply aren't enough to provide for 8bn people enjoying their lives the way we do in this country. I think this is well-established as fact, rather than left-leaning opinion. So exploring ways to do that, while still enjoying caving at home and abroad - as Badlad was trying to do in the original post - seems only sensible. No?
100%I for one can no longer find any moral justification for flying to some far flung destination to lie on a beach or crawl down a hole. ‘Offset’ or not. There’s so much fun available closer to home. Some people just can’t or won’t see that.
As an aside but in reply to earlier posts, the Plymouth Santander ferry uses 40 marine tonnes of diesel for the journey. I asked the information desk one time .
Sea journey is 885km, so 4.5kg per km (assuming that is one way, or 2.25kg if return). Now some ferries take 1,000 passengers & others 2,000, so which boat?
48760 litres for 885km. Or approx 19.5 gallons per mile.Loki:
Mikem:
Well, I assume that a 'marine tonne' is pretty much the same as an ordinary tonne; if that is the case, then it's ~45 kg / km.