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jasonbirder said:Other caves, particularly deep ones in Yorkshire have access permit systems...It is not an intrinsically bad thing that access to such...potentially dangerous caves should be a little bit restricted - to protect...those who would visit them
Have we genuinely got someone here who is suggesting access to caves should be restricted and/or prohibited on the basis that they might be a little more taxing or strenuous than average?
I found myself in a surreal similar conversation with some folk from mendip. Cuthberts should remain warden controlled as to relax the restrictions on access to cavers, would result in rescues of cavers doing trips outside their ability, and possibly even death.
There are a number of cavers that do genuinely believe that.
Its not the facts of the statement that concern me at all, it is a possible scenario. As are people jumping of railway bridges onto tracks, people being splatted walking into the middle of roads.
All undeniable possible scenarios. (Yet society accepts it cant gate and fence every man made tumbling point)
Its the strange desire for some cavers to pitch themselves morally above others and determine that only they can decide what is appropriate for others, by applying restriction,s on others, but rarely themselves.
The reality is, no piece of paper, or leader system is going to stop these things from happening.
Does this happen in other outdoor pursuit sports?