Extraordinary Meeting of blah blah blah

[cap n chris]

The PDCMG is a quango whose main aim is ... To promote the conservation, management, scientific study and exploration of the caves of the area and access to them. Conservation is the prime objective.

Some of us feel that there are too many such bodies already in existence and that the inherent politics that follow are strangling. Furthermore, some feel that they are not behaving as they should and that their actions are arbitrary and their regime clandestine. This is felt (by some) as being inequitable and wrong on many levels.

It's almost certainly equally true to say that some of us feel there aren't enough of these bodies around to protect caves and the politics may well be seen as strangling, but necessary. Anyone who feels the various bodies are not acting as they should is free to make representations accordingly.

[As an aside, and to serve as an example of why this sort of thing isn't so bad after all, it is perhaps also worth pointing out that many members of the electorate feel that many politicians are not behaving as they should and that their actions are arbitrary and clandestine and that this behaviour is felt to be inequitable and wrong on many levels. You can vote for change if you wish. There's nothing new under the sun].

Go on. Make a difference - the main beauty of caving politics is that the various roles are fulfilled by volunteers, pretty nearly the only qualification for acceptance being your willingness to stand - so what if you haven't got the faintest idea of how to do anything?... you'll soon pick it up (or not) and when people whinge about your performance (or lack of it) you either just ignore them or resign and let some other chinless Rupert take over, assuming anyone wants to. Pretty standard unpaid committee life, really.

 

[kay]

...its' "a)".... Any business has to develop on the basis of its costs and compliance with current legislation, be that employment, H&S, environmental...everything.

Cost of legal and safe disposal of "their" waste is just one of those costs. It's that simple really.

The costs should no more be borne by the public than their costs of for H&S, raw materials, maintainance etc. etc. Its just one cost of their business run by them and chosen by them.

If they don't like then

a) Close the business and do something else

b) Put up with it

c)...there is no c) 

Your logic is impeccable, especially when you draw the analogy with H&S.

The trouble is, there is a 'c' - fly tipping - and we don't have the resources to catch and deal wih the offenders.

 

[exsumper]

Andy f's logic seems impeccable. However the options depend on what industry or business your in. I've always been in construction, where the old fashioned principle's and options a and b, hold sway. They are, everything you do, you pay for and hope to recoup from the customer at a future date and when there is no work, you go bust. However there are some industries, where the victim culture holds sway. If no one buys your stuff or the price of the commodity you produce drops, don't worry, just start whining like a baby and the Government and the EU will give you lots of our money, for sitting on your arse or leaving the production areas of your business idle. So there is an option c) charity handouts.

 

[Local Bloke]

Could always do what most builder do to get money.

Do a crap job, and do a runner with your money.