Forced DNS change

[Dep]

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Seem to be able to do most of the above stuff. And our servers are in the UK so the domain propogates much quicker  :tease:

Thanks.

All in all it comes to £100+VAT whereas we pay only £72+VAT (actually £60 + £12 for second domain that I use - my one perk of being the club webmaster)

I recall now what it was that made me query it before, its the DB costs, we need two, (our server actually hosts two separate websites - my personal site is in there too)

also how much for larger ones >150Mb ?

Our current hosts use Linux as standard and charge a premium for IIS etc, that's what makes the big difference in costs.

That isn't bad though and is close enough that I might look very hard at this. Even if it's a few quid more it may be better for the convenience factor, we have about 10 months at least before the next renewal.

If and when we start to seriously exceed our current size quota then the BCA hosting looks more cost-effective to us as I suspect the next 'charge-band' at our current host will tip the balance.

 

[Dep]

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As I could see your change log entry this morning, does that mean I was looking at the old or the new location ? It was about 11.30 I think...

Exactly!
I uploaded saw my changes and thought all was well...
But now I am not so sure and curious as to what 'DNS cache phantom' we have been looking at.
It is clear we are both experienceing the same issue.
All I can do is sit back and keep my fingers crossed that it will magically restore itself by tomorrow.
And if anyone asks I sat up all night and reprogramed the entire internet myself such is my level of dedication to duty!

 

[Peter Burgess]

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As I could see your change log entry this morning, does that mean I was looking at the old or the new location ? It was about 11.30 I think...

Exactly!
I uploaded saw my changes and thought all was well...
But now I am not so sure and curious as to what 'DNS cache phantom' we have been looking at.
It is clear we are both experienceing the same issue.
All I can do is sit back and keep my fingers crossed that it will magically restore itself by tomorrow.
And if anyone asks I sat up all night and reprogramed the entire internet myself such is my level of dedication to duty!

Did we get any advanced notice from dataflame? If not, then that is seriously bad customer service, surely. Good enough reason to move I would have thought.

 

[Les W]

All in all it comes to £100+VAT whereas we pay only £72+VAT (actually £60 + £12 for second domain that I use - my one perk of being the club webmaster)

Our prices were inclusive of VAT 

I recall now what it was that made me query it before, its the DB costs, we need two, (our server actually hosts two separate websites - my personal site is in there too)

You could host both sites from 1 DB

also how much for larger ones >150Mb ?

DB size is charged in multiples of 150Mb @ £30 per 15oMb

Our current hosts use Linux as standard and charge a premium for IIS etc, that's what makes the big difference in costs.

Standard hosting is on Windows 2003 server with IIS6
Linux is Redhat

That isn't bad though and is close enough that I might look very hard at this. Even if it's a few quid more it may be better for the convenience factor, we have about 10 months at least before the next renewal.

If you mean 10 months to domain renewal then you shouldn't wait as it is better to move a domain mid term, and not within 30 days of renewal. If you mean the webhosting then you should obviously get your moneys worth before you move (unless you are being messed about of course)

If and when we start to seriously exceed our current size quota then the BCA hosting looks more cost-effective to us as I suspect the next 'charge-band' at our current host will tip the balance.

What type of domain is your second one?

Our price for top level domains (.com .org etc.) is £11 per year, second level domains (.co.uk .org.uk etc.) is £7 for 2 years

 

[Dep]

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Did we get any advanced notice from dataflame? If not, then that is seriously bad customer service, surely. Good enough reason to move I would have thought.

Yes - they got that right, I was notifed a few weeks ago and given links to more data.
All the control panel stuff is IP based so critical its changed.
They also promised it would be quick, seamless and transparent!

 

[emgee]

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As I could see your change log entry this morning, does that mean I was looking at the old or the new location ? It was about 11.30 I think...

Exactly!
I uploaded saw my changes and thought all was well...
But now I am not so sure and curious as to what 'DNS cache phantom' we have been looking at.
It is clear we are both experienceing the same issue.
All I can do is sit back and keep my fingers crossed that it will magically restore itself by tomorrow.
And if anyone asks I sat up all night and reprogramed the entire internet myself such is my level of dedication to duty!

Did we get any advanced notice from dataflame? If not, then that is seriously bad customer service, surely. Good enough reason to move I would have thought.

It's not really a customer service issue it's a total incompetence issue. There's a standard mechanism built into DNS for handling this. You set the time that the entry is valid for to a low value like one hour a few days before the change and it all sort itself out in that time (very simplified DNS knowledgeable pedants needn't quibble).

 

[Dep]

Our prices were inclusive of VAT 

You could host both sites from 1 DB

DB size is charged in multiples of 150Mb @ £30 per 15oMb

Standard hosting is on Windows 2003 server with IIS6
Linux is Redhat

If you mean 10 months to domain renewal then you shouldn't wait as it is better to move a domain mid term, and not within 30 days of renewal. If you mean the webhosting then you should obviously get your moneys worth before you move (unless you are being messed about of course)

What type of domain is your second one?

Our price for top level domains (.com .org etc.) is £11 per year, second level domains (.co.uk .org.uk etc.) is £7 for 2 years

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Our prices were inclusive of VAT 

You could host both sites from 1 DB

DB size is charged in multiples of 150Mb @ £30 per 15oMb

Standard hosting is on Windows 2003 server with IIS6
Linux is Redhat

If you mean 10 months to domain renewal then you shouldn't wait as it is better to move a domain mid term, and not within 30 days of renewal. If you mean the webhosting then you should obviously get your moneys worth before you move (unless you are being messed about of course)

What type of domain is your second one?

Our price for top level domains (.com .org etc.) is £11 per year, second level domains (.co.uk .org.uk etc.) is £7 for 2 years

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

Don't ask me, I'm an ignorant old fart.

 

[Dep]

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It's not really a customer service issue it's a total incompetence issue. There's a standard mechanism built into DNS for handling this. You set the time that the entry is valid for to a low value like one hour a few days before the change and it all sort itself out in that time (very simplified DNS knowledgeable pedants needn't quibble).

Interesting. I was not aware of that specific capability but it does not surprise me.
I am also sure that ours is not the first website to change its IP and that these sort of problems are rarely that bad.
I've only ever had to wait a while when registering new websites, and then usually only for around 12 hours or so.

Their service is cheap - but their support, whilst fast is usually hopeless with lots of cop-out useless answers "it must be the program, it must be your ISP" etc etc... There have been several incidences in the past where I have been telling them what the problem is as I can see it or debug it myself.

 

[Dep]

Les,
Can you also supply sendmail and finally, if we took on an acount would you be able to load it for us - ie supplied on a CD and simply copied across for us.
The site is way too big to want to sit here and FTP it.

 

[Les W]

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

Yes

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

The Linux option is proper Linux - Our Linux servers run Red Hat Enterprise Server 3 (or compatible) and the Apache web server, supporting PHP, Perl and Python scripting, secure shell access (SSH) and Frontpage Extensions.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

Phone me up some time, or meet me in the Hunters for a drink

 

[Peter Burgess]

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

Yes

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

The Linux option is proper Linux - Our Linux servers run Red Hat Enterprise Server 3 (or compatible) and the Apache web server, supporting PHP, Perl and Python scripting, secure shell access (SSH) and Frontpage Extensions.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

Phone me up some time, or meet me in the Hunters for a drink

If you two are going to talk geekie stuff all through Tim Francis's presentation, you can find another room to do it in.  :spank: Like the smiley, by the way.

 

[Dep]

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

Yes

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

The Linux option is proper Linux - Our Linux servers run Red Hat Enterprise Server 3 (or compatible) and the Apache web server, supporting PHP, Perl and Python scripting, secure shell access (SSH) and Frontpage Extensions.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

Phone me up some time, or meet me in the Hunters for a drink

If you two are going to talk geekie stuff all through Tim Francis's presentation, you can find another room to do it in.  :spank: Like the smiley, by the way.

Talking geeky stuff in the Hunter's...
...isn't that akin to blaspheming in church?
Do they still burn witches|people who are different|geeks on Mendip?

 

[Peter Burgess]

OK, that does make a difference, epecially incVAT
You are right about sharing one DB, until now I preferred to keep them separate in case I decide to split my site (a .org BTW) away from WCMS. But yes, I can have two DB schemas within one physical DB setup.

Renewal period is for hosting, IIRC, domain is similar.

Is BCA in the re-seller business then?

Yes

It is worth serious consideration, its still more expensive and I have reservations about using LAMP stuff under Window OS made to runs as Linux rather than on proper Linux with no 'config' involved.

The Linux option is proper Linux - Our Linux servers run Red Hat Enterprise Server 3 (or compatible) and the Apache web server, supporting PHP, Perl and Python scripting, secure shell access (SSH) and Frontpage Extensions.

But your points about name-server tags, handling domain registration, less sodding about and faster propagation certainly went home.
I'll think hard about it and talk it over with Peter in the coming months.

Phone me up some time, or meet me in the Hunters for a drink

If you two are going to talk geekie stuff all through Tim Francis's presentation, you can find another room to do it in.  :spank: Like the smiley, by the way.

Talking geeky stuff in the Hunter's...
...isn't that akin to blaspheming in church?
Do they still burn witches|people who are different|geeks on Mendip?

Is that why J-Rat doesn't have a website? Is he worried the Klueless Klods Klan will be round to burn his server?