Hustings for BCA Chair election: please send questions you want put
- Thread starter David Rose
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nearlywhite
Active member
PeteHall said:
Facebook and the website were used (and UKC), it has emerged that the email list to council wasn't working (a possible problem with the autopost bot) - we have been unable so far to get the twitter autopost to work.
BradW said:
I enjoy the irony of using an annonymous account to accuse me of being decietful.
I think it can be fairly clear that we both are telling the truth - it was a while ago and he may have forgot, I should have reminded him but forgot, I assumed the agreement on hustings was still there, he assumed the date was set, this was for consultation but I can see how it could have been better worded. I don't see any lack of substance for my post other than the reference to 'recent actions' which refers to the overdue Agenda and the shenanigans that were called out on the council list, which isn't public or private to be fair. It's frustrating when people try to call you out for a standard they aren't willing to hold themselves to. This however approaches mudslinging which is why I stopped my previous post at the point I did. I'd rather both of us be judged on our record, plans and responses to questions put to both of us.
Russell is a good man with whom I have fundamental disagreements on matters of policy and approach. I hope that clears it up.
Ian Adams
Active member
nearlywhite said:
It's a little more than that, the user "BradW" has (over a long period of time) simply stirred the pot of trouble - precisely what his/her post has done here while saying this;
BradW said:
Quite exceptional really.
Anyway, back to the thread as it should be ...
nearlywhite said:
Seems to me that this might be the basis on which a lot of us vote. However, these differences may well be known within the "inner Circle" but are certainly not known outside of it. A person voting would certainly like to understand the candidates policies and approaches. I appreciate the hustings "could" have been used for this. Since that is now unlikely, could the BCA exec consider another platform to imbue us with this missing knowledge ahead of the vote?
Ian
Blimey! BradW isn't flavour of the month!
A multi-pronged advertisement is obviously better but for me UkC works best.
BradW, how do you see the survey being used to advertise the hustings? With a space for a question or just with an advert? (just to note, I've filled in the survey following a link from UkC and am still thinking of questions to add to this thread)
Using UkC, if I weren't a member would I create an account to ask a question, probably not if I'm honest, however, I don't use facebook and twitter so no mention on here and I wouldn't have heard anything as I am not very involved with BCA club/region reps.
A little tongue in cheek and certainly not in my gift to discuss but a question for the candidates:
"As UkCaving represents a communication method to a large number of British Caving Association members, would you support a BCA purchase of UkCaving.com to rebrand to the official British Caving Association Forum?"
A multi-pronged advertisement is obviously better but for me UkC works best.
BradW, how do you see the survey being used to advertise the hustings? With a space for a question or just with an advert? (just to note, I've filled in the survey following a link from UkC and am still thinking of questions to add to this thread)
Using UkC, if I weren't a member would I create an account to ask a question, probably not if I'm honest, however, I don't use facebook and twitter so no mention on here and I wouldn't have heard anything as I am not very involved with BCA club/region reps.
A little tongue in cheek and certainly not in my gift to discuss but a question for the candidates:
"As UkCaving represents a communication method to a large number of British Caving Association members, would you support a BCA purchase of UkCaving.com to rebrand to the official British Caving Association Forum?"
I am not bothered whether I am someone's favorite or not - I am not seeking election (as far as you know )
I was not advocating the BCA members' survey be used to promote the hustings. The survey contains a list of communication platforms - many of these would be the options available to seek questions for the hustings. Personally, I had only spotted the request for questions here. That was the point of my post.
) I was not advocating the BCA members' survey be used to promote the hustings. The survey contains a list of communication platforms - many of these would be the options available to seek questions for the hustings. Personally, I had only spotted the request for questions here. That was the point of my post.
I understand your first comment Droid, and it's a fair point, but as a communication method to cavers is there a better one than UkCaving? For me there isn't, hence why I think the BCA engaging with it in the way David does is to be encouraged.
I find your second comment a little unfair, as you quoted, I did not say UkCaving was a valid view of the majority, but that it is a communication method to a large number of the BCA membership.
Good point BradW, 10 options on there. Hopefully the survey will give a good indicatino of how BCA should target it's membership for news. (And good luck in the election )
I find your second comment a little unfair, as you quoted, I did not say UkCaving was a valid view of the majority, but that it is a communication method to a large number of the BCA membership.
Good point BradW, 10 options on there. Hopefully the survey will give a good indicatino of how BCA should target it's membership for news. (And good luck in the election
)I don't think UK caving can be considered representative of BCA members. Lots of BCA members are not UK Caving members and those that are an even smaller number. Some UK caving's most frequent posters have very strong views on the BCA that do not reflect the views of the BCA members I know - most of whom just want to go caving without loads of drama.
Perhaps the best question for a potential new chair would be - How will you build a consensus that will allow the organisation to better support its general membership and officers without getting distracted by those who have more extreme views.
Perhaps the best question for a potential new chair would be - How will you build a consensus that will allow the organisation to better support its general membership and officers without getting distracted by those who have more extreme views.
Ian Adams
Active member
droid said:
Stir it all you like but it is hardly equitable to then say "I think British caving has had enough of this sort of thing" in the same post :ang:
Everybody probably agrees that debate (or "stirring" if you will) is generally a good thing for any organisation. Arbitrary rule (or tyranny as it is defined) is rarely in the best interests of members.
Ian
As an administer on here all I can say is - we try. We give BCA and other BCA constituent and regional bodies a board to use as they wish. If they want to use any other media they can (of course) and do. We just offer a service to cavers (for nowt but a load of hassle BTW), thousands view it and hundreds contribute to it. There are alternatives. BradW has their Darkness Below site for example. BCA have a website, facebook and Twitter pages. They also have a sporadic newsletter and an email list which unfortunately doesn't function properly until Data Protection rules can be sorted out.
Whether folk like it or not Ukcaving is a very good place to get a message across or seek opinion. Don't fall into the trap of blaming the messenger if you don't like what you hear on some issues. Other channels are available and I for one would encourage caving organisations to use them all.
Good caving
Whether folk like it or not Ukcaving is a very good place to get a message across or seek opinion. Don't fall into the trap of blaming the messenger if you don't like what you hear on some issues. Other channels are available and I for one would encourage caving organisations to use them all.
Good caving
darren
Member
A big problem is people assuming their views and desires are representative.
Just becuase you have a interest in getting BCA news and giving feed back doesn't mean others want the same. Very occasionally I will talk to other cavers about BCA stuff only to find they have even less interest than me. This applies to at least 20 members of my club I interact with
I've made my view of BCA perfectly clear before.
My club makes me join for insurance reasons. I don't really mind the ?8.00 or so that pays for the insurance cover. I very much resent the rest of my BCA membership fee which I view as a tax.
Most members of BCA only join because clubs make them. The fact that some/a lot of members only join BCA because they have to is another thing the site admins and prolific users refuse to belive or comprehend.
It is like being in a1970 closed shop Union shouting about how many members it has.
Just becuase you have a interest in getting BCA news and giving feed back doesn't mean others want the same. Very occasionally I will talk to other cavers about BCA stuff only to find they have even less interest than me. This applies to at least 20 members of my club I interact with
I've made my view of BCA perfectly clear before.
My club makes me join for insurance reasons. I don't really mind the ?8.00 or so that pays for the insurance cover. I very much resent the rest of my BCA membership fee which I view as a tax.
Most members of BCA only join because clubs make them. The fact that some/a lot of members only join BCA because they have to is another thing the site admins and prolific users refuse to belive or comprehend.
It is like being in a1970 closed shop Union shouting about how many members it has.
darren
Member
Hi Badlad
I do appreciate ukcaving as a resource and find it useful and informative. I visit it every day. I realise you and the others involved put in a lot of time and effort. I hope you don't count my comments as abuse, you don't deserve any abuse.
I do however think all users should remember we are a self selecting minority and shouldn't get above ourselves. Even within our self selecting minority we have an even smaller minority who regularly post. Others think you can't have a nuanced debate using this medium.
I would guess most posts are by made 20 members.
I do appreciate ukcaving as a resource and find it useful and informative. I visit it every day. I realise you and the others involved put in a lot of time and effort. I hope you don't count my comments as abuse, you don't deserve any abuse.
I do however think all users should remember we are a self selecting minority and shouldn't get above ourselves. Even within our self selecting minority we have an even smaller minority who regularly post. Others think you can't have a nuanced debate using this medium.
I would guess most posts are by made 20 members.
No worries and no offences taken. Whatever anyone writes on here readers will make their own minds up. I encourage all caving organisations to use as much media as possible to get their messages out. Ukcaving is one of the best ways to do that.
I appreciate many cavers are not so entrenched in the caving world that they want to join in with any discussion whether on here or any other format. I fully encourage a world where people just go caving and that is it. I myself came from there and having dabbled in caving politics for a few years am firmly back in that court. I do like to share an opinion or two though
I appreciate many cavers are not so entrenched in the caving world that they want to join in with any discussion whether on here or any other format. I fully encourage a world where people just go caving and that is it. I myself came from there and having dabbled in caving politics for a few years am firmly back in that court. I do like to share an opinion or two though
