so a CIC caver can assess me better than a lcmla 2 in taking YP into goatchurch, what can the assess any better? I have witnessed CIC cavers taking 16 plus into goatchurch, is this what the CIC teach you?
TSA has a system in place that you have to able to demonstrate, so turning up and the assor ask whats the weather forecast, simple, but how many cavers go caving without getting one, and please don't tell me everyone.
TSA, uni clubs, professional cavers take the next are the places where YP are introduced to caving, hopefully finding the next cavers to push the sport forward, they all do a good job, do we need these, well judging by the mean age hidden earth I would say more than ever.
so we can go tit for tat my assessment is better than yours, my assessment is better cause its in the dales blah blah, so you might be CIC caver but does that make you more capable than me, well from what I have seen from some, well leave that upto you, I have also seen some scout leaders who I think could do better, but least they doing something.
as for listing everyone, unfortunately scouting has to abide by the Data protection act, not I hasten to say a scout law but one we all have to abide by, i.e I cannot give you anyone of my running clubs names