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Online Bullying

droid

Active member
In a recent thread, a member of this forum has accused two other members of bullying.

He's also accused me of bullying on a different thread.

So what constitutes bullying? One reply to the accusation stated that bullying involved threats, and presumably intimidation. Is it possible to be intimidated on a forum like this? I'm certainly intimidated, or at least wary of some people's intellect, but that's about it.

What's other people's views?
 

Peter Burgess

New member
Anyone who has actually been bullied, or knows someone who has been at the receiving end, knows exactly what bullying is. Anyone who falsely accuses someone else of bullying either doesn't know what it is, or has little regard for how big an issue it is for some victims. I count myself fortunate in that I have never been at the receiving end of serious bullying, and what I have had when a minor, was easy to deal with. Bullying can be physical (not here obviously), or psychological. In my view, the latter is far more serious that many people think.

I would also suggest those interested in related psychological issues do a little research into "projection". It's a fascinating and somewhat alarming subject if you ever come across examples of it.
 

kay

Well-known member
droid said:
In a recent thread, a member of this forum has accused two other members of bullying.

He's also accused me of bullying on a different thread.

So what constitutes bullying? One reply to the accusation stated that bullying involved threats, and presumably intimidation. Is it possible to be intimidated on a forum like this? I'm certainly intimidated, or at least wary of some people's intellect, but that's about it.

What's other people's views?

Here's my views, based on a fair bit of experience of workplace bullying, both as victim, as a manager dealing with bullying, and supporting those involved in bullying. But they are just my views - I have no specific qualifications in this area.

It doesn't need explicit threats. It's basically repeated aggressive behavior designed to belittle the other person.  Two people slagging each other off on-line is just two people having a fight. But if you find your  carefully considered posts are being repeatedly dismissed as rubbish by someone, without any evidence that they've actually bothered to read them, and as a result you find yourself feeling nervous about posting, then you may be being bullied. The ultimate effect of "successful" bullying is that you start doubting yourself, and losing confidence in yourself.

It's certainly possible on a forum like this. And I've witnessed a nasty piece of mass bullying on a advice newsgroup. The victim was an obnoxious know-it-all who was giving information that was just downright wrong, and could cause problems for anyone following it. At first I did my share of correcting her "advice", but I started to notice the vindictiveness of several posters in criticising her every post for the sake of it and referring to her by an offensive nickname based on her posting name, and I realised that it had tipped over into bullying.

It's difficult if you're on the other end. What you intended as a robust rebuttal of an argument may be seen by someone else as an attempt to bully and belittle. At this point it isn't bullying, because you didn't mean it as such. The key thing is what happens next. If someone lets you know that your behaviour feels like bullying to them, and you nevertheless carry on doing it, knowing how they feel about it, then you have tipped over into bullying.

Unless of course the person is simply accusing you of bullying as a debating point ...

That's one reason why on-line stuff is so difficult, you just have people's words, not the rest of the body language. So you can't see whether you are upsetting them, or whether they are meaning to upset you.
 

droid

Active member
Good point about 'body language' Kay.

There's also the inflexion in the way things are said, that's absent in the written word.
 

nearlywhite

Active member
I think the fact that you've started this thread is very passive aggressive. If you don't think it's bullying don't get everyone to gang up on someone to say so! If you think it is then apologise.

From what I've seen I think you'd get a lot more out of people and your points across better if you toned down the insults. It's this kind of behaviour that really puts me off this forum.

I'm going to get it in the neck now aren't I?
 

droid

Active member
No, you arent.

I started this thread not just because I was accused of bullying, but that two others, of VERY DIFFERENT character to me were also accused of it. One of them is the least offensive person you could wish to meet on a forum.

And I was rather interested to read people's take on this subject.

So I've got your take. Why should I have a go at you for that?

If you think I've insulted anyone, then you are way off the mark. I might have insulted their opinions, mind..... :LOL:
 

menacer

Active member
droid said:
I started this thread not just because I was accused of bullying, but that two others, of VERY DIFFERENT character to me were also accused of it. One of them is the least offensive person you could wish to meet on a forum.

And I was rather interested to read people's take on this subject.

Agree with nearlywhite, i too, question your motives for this thread.
Heres another opinion for you.
I might consider the person that accused the bulliers is the least offensive person of all those involved...but its just another opinion, hardly worthy of posting to a thread really.
Oops there's another opinion, it may differ to yours, perhaps I should start a new thread on " what constitutes a worthy thread" or maybe i'll just over it.
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
While I might agree, per se, I often find it annoying when it is is NOT the person being limelighted as the bully in a thread, but rather the real bully is the one who is accusing others (who are non-bullying) of the offence, almost as though it is used to tar a contributor with a negativity they do not deserve in order to paint them out of a debate in which they were thought to be gaining the upper hand.

e.g. re-iteration of something which is true towards someone who continues to attempt to deny it often looks like brow-beating; a person on the receiving end of insistent contrariness could easily interpret it as bullying, rather than an attempt at educating them.

Human nature, psychology etc..
 

graham

New member
Given the place in which these accusations arose I find it amusing to point out an observation from a legally trained colleague of mine that the English legal system is based as much on bullying as it is on reasoned argument.
 

TheBitterEnd

Well-known member
Cap'n Chris - wasn't your signature on here at one time something like:

"often seen hunting in a pack with Graham and Peter"

around the time Whitelackington was a favorite whipping boy?
 

Laurie

Active member
See what you've started Droid.
You're just a trouble maker........................................... ::)
 

droid

Active member
Laurie said:
See what you've started Droid.
You're just a trouble maker........................................... ::)

I prefer the term 'intolerant grumpy old sod'.

::)
 
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