Pantin Help
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ianball11 said:
Hm, I forgot you cant edit posts anymore.
I've a green pantin so a bit older and I climb using the simultaneous method mared E in this Petzl document
http://www.petzl.com/files/all/en/activities/sport/tech-tips-caving_Catalog-2010.pdf
Except I've the footloop on my right foot and pantin on my left.
That's kind of a relief.
Reallyianball11 said:
http://www.karstsports.com/32114.html
Note you can choose for the left or right foot. Gold is right foot silver is left foot currently.
With frogwalking here typically use right foot pantin.
CMI foot ascenders also come left or right.
It matters because of how it tracks through the cam...
Yeah I have an old petzl set where gold is the left and blue is the right.
Now it's black with orange for one and orange with silver for the other or something like that.
I dunno...like I said I'm likely never buying petzl gear again. ABC (for the "croll") and Kong (ascenders) and CMI (ascenders and "pantin") Hightec also has nice teeth on the cams. Much better stuff impo. Much easier thumbing to get it open, better camming, and nicer teeth.
You guys know of this right? Guy collects vertical devices, extremely good comparison page complete with all specs you'd ever want to know. http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/VerticalHome.shtml
I much prefer this to a basic, for example, and it's what I'll get to make my double bungee rope walker for Golondrinas and Whitesides (and who knows maybe El Cap too...) over the next few years instead of a basic: http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/Ascender/EccCamPages/EC0254.html
Now it's black with orange for one and orange with silver for the other or something like that.
I dunno...like I said I'm likely never buying petzl gear again. ABC (for the "croll") and Kong (ascenders) and CMI (ascenders and "pantin") Hightec also has nice teeth on the cams. Much better stuff impo. Much easier thumbing to get it open, better camming, and nicer teeth.
You guys know of this right? Guy collects vertical devices, extremely good comparison page complete with all specs you'd ever want to know. http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/VerticalHome.shtml
I much prefer this to a basic, for example, and it's what I'll get to make my double bungee rope walker for Golondrinas and Whitesides (and who knows maybe El Cap too...) over the next few years instead of a basic: http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/Ascender/EccCamPages/EC0254.html
jarvist
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There's nothing wrong with the older green Pantins. As far as I can tell from inspection, they are identical castings (to the modern right-footed gold one).
Dr Storrick tried it once, found he couldn't use it [which is fair enough - it takes a good few actual caving trips to become halfway proficient with it], blamed the device & accused it of 'falling apart before I could climb three feet'. I'm not sure if accusing an ascender of detaching is quite the same as falling apart.
The CMI foot ascenders are crazy. We do not live in the 70s anymore, design and technology has moved on. I wouldn't swap my 80g Pantin for a 324g primitive hand jammer randomly lashed to my foot. And I wouldn't generally want a locking cam on my foot, in tight caves where I've left the Pantin bungee mod on too long I've had to kick myself in the ankle to get my foot free.
It's a bit boring living in a Petzl monoculture, but unless you're heading for something very specialist (such as the crazy Kong ultra lightweight ascenders), I believe you're better off benefiting from the decades of manufacture, economies of scale, ubiquitous availability and design refinement of the boring ol' Croll / Basic|Handed / Simple|Stop + Pantin.
Your D41 ascender for instance - all I see is a pre-80s Basic, before they added any of the ergonomic extras, & put in the mud flutes on the casting + cam. And it has a random extra bit of plating for no apparent reason.
Dr Storrick tried it once, found he couldn't use it [which is fair enough - it takes a good few actual caving trips to become halfway proficient with it], blamed the device & accused it of 'falling apart before I could climb three feet'. I'm not sure if accusing an ascender of detaching is quite the same as falling apart.
The CMI foot ascenders are crazy. We do not live in the 70s anymore, design and technology has moved on. I wouldn't swap my 80g Pantin for a 324g primitive hand jammer randomly lashed to my foot. And I wouldn't generally want a locking cam on my foot, in tight caves where I've left the Pantin bungee mod on too long I've had to kick myself in the ankle to get my foot free.
It's a bit boring living in a Petzl monoculture, but unless you're heading for something very specialist (such as the crazy Kong ultra lightweight ascenders), I believe you're better off benefiting from the decades of manufacture, economies of scale, ubiquitous availability and design refinement of the boring ol' Croll / Basic|Handed / Simple|Stop + Pantin.
Your D41 ascender for instance - all I see is a pre-80s Basic, before they added any of the ergonomic extras, & put in the mud flutes on the casting + cam. And it has a random extra bit of plating for no apparent reason.
Totally agree Jarvist, I know I'll probably use my green foot jammer on everything over 10 meters or so now I've got it working better.
One thing to note those is that my green pantin has the black and white webbing so perhaps the upgrade of webbing he mentions happened before the upgrade of metal work, but as it was only the webbing and not the metal work a new number wasn't necessary, not being ppe?
Thanks Amy
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woohoo this is my 500th post. I wonder if I will become more than an obsessive maniac.
One thing to note those is that my green pantin has the black and white webbing so perhaps the upgrade of webbing he mentions happened before the upgrade of metal work, but as it was only the webbing and not the metal work a new number wasn't necessary, not being ppe?
Thanks Amy
,woohoo this is my 500th post. I wonder if I will become more than an obsessive maniac.
The newer Pantins have the horizontal strap attachments parallel but tilted/offset to tilt the unit a bit.
The original ones had the slots 'parallel and square'.
I'm not sure if the change is partly/mainly to give a nicer angle on the foot and better operation, but possibly it's at least partly to reduce 'tearing' of the strap, since the the horizontal attachment was one point where the straps tended to wear on the original unit, albeit at a roughly similar rate to the footstrap where it goes through the frame below the cam.
The original ones had the slots 'parallel and square'.
I'm not sure if the change is partly/mainly to give a nicer angle on the foot and better operation, but possibly it's at least partly to reduce 'tearing' of the strap, since the the horizontal attachment was one point where the straps tended to wear on the original unit, albeit at a roughly similar rate to the footstrap where it goes through the frame below the cam.
cap n chris
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jarvist said:
Well put.
