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Trips that go in the wet...

GT

New member
I'm new to this forum and keen to take advantage of the accumulated knowledge of folk...

Has anyone any recommended good SRT trips that go in periods of wet weather; such as fossil route in Sells Gill or Bar pot at GG.

Look forward to your input!

Cheers...
 

langcliffe

Well-known member
GT said:
Has anyone any recommended good SRT trips that go in periods of wet weather; such as fossil route in Sells Gill

It's all relative - I remember a member of the CPC telling me that on one occasion there was a lake visible not so far down the second pitch on the fossil route in Sell Gill.
 

langcliffe

Well-known member
SamT said:
Juniper Gulf is do-able in very wet conditions. It was pretty exciting mind.

I've been down Juniper Gulf when the penultimate pitch was impassable. The water bounced off the opposite wall straight onto the rope, and one would have drowned. Mind you, it was pretty extreme at the time
 

GT

New member
Sounds sporting!

I'm thinking on those marginal days where would you head to for a really good trip rather than just a little jaunt...
 

dunc

New member
Depends how wet and what you would call 'good' but a few suggestions of mostly SRT trips that are probably ok in average wet conditions;  :-\
Flood Entrance
Old Rift Pot
Rowten Pot
Lost Johns (New Roof Traverse)
Aquamole Pot (someone told me it was probably ok in the wet, never confirmed, never tried!)
Lancaster Hole (only one pitch unless you go about rigging other odds and ends, like Graveyard, Fall Pot etc)

For more of a challenge to your trip;
Large Pot (avoid Red Herring route and go for Colossus, which should be ok)
Boggarts Roaring Holes (extensions)
Trapdoor Pot
Rumbling Hole - Dead Bobbin Series
 

SamT

Moderator
langcliffe said:
I've been down Juniper Gulf when the penultimate pitch was impassable. The water bounced off the opposite wall straight onto the rope, and one would have drowned. Mind you, it was pretty extreme at the time

Blimey.

When we did it.  the whole of the dales was stupidly awash with white water everywhere but I don't remember the water getting anywhere near the rope. Oh well, still reckon you'd be ok in all but 'extreme' weather, as langy suggests.
 

langcliffe

Well-known member
I was once told by Salford Phil that the entrance pitch in Bar Pot has been known to be well-nigh impassable due to a rapid thaw of snow in the shakehole.

He may have been having me on, though.
 

GT

New member
Did he have to dig his way into the entrance? Can't imagine it being that pleasant a walk up there with that amount of snow!

Cheers for the suggestions Dunc...
 

Cavematt

Well-known member
As dunc says, Trapdoor is an excellent choice in the wet, and doesn't require a permit.  The only water we had contact with (and this was during an exceptionally wet period) was coming into the chamber below the FTSE choke pitch - this flows down a tight squeeze (The Gripper) which gets you wet if like me you have to spend a few minutes wiggling to get through.  But I can't imagine it ever becoming impassible. We since went back in only moderately wet weather and it was much more pleasant. Probably one of my favourite trips of 2009!
 

Dickie

Active member
Large Pot (avoid Red Herring route and go for Colossus, which should be ok)
Errm - not a good idea, I had a 12 hour wait down there in the 1980s because the big pitch was impassable on the way back up!
 

dunc

New member
Dickie said:
Large Pot (avoid Red Herring route and go for Colossus, which should be ok)
Errm - not a good idea, I had a 12 hour wait down there in the 1980s because the big pitch was impassable on the way back up!
How wet was it above ground - I'm guessing at it being pretty wet?
 

damian

Active member
I can also confirm that Colossus gets pretty wet. The real problem is that you are directly under ever drop that falls down it. A trip as far as Colossus is still a good one, though, and is fine in wet weather.
 

Cavematt

Well-known member
We had a trip down to Collossus last winter - it was moderately wet above ground.  Everything was fine until Collossus where there was a lot of water going down, and a lot of spray.  The pitch was passable, but we couldn't find the rebelay at the ledge a short way down.  The amount of spray was reducing visibility and it wasn't a place our rigger wanted to be hanging around searching for spits/hangers (he was freezing when he called it a day).  Can anyone describe exactly how to find them?  Other than that, it was a superb trip!
 

damian

Active member
Cavematt said:
The pitch was passable, but we couldn't find the rebelay at the ledge a short way down.  ... Can anyone describe exactly how to find them?  Other than that, it was a superb trip!
There isn't a rebelay from a ledge part way down. It's all on Eco-Anchors and there's a 4 bolt traverse and y-hang followed by a deviation from a short cord 1m down on the right hand side (facing the moonmilk). That gives an almost clear hang to the bottom. The rope touches the moonmilk occasionally but it's nothing to worry about.
 

Alex

Well-known member
I distinctly remeber a rebelay on that pitch far out and down about meter on the left when facing out over the pitch.
 

footleg

New member
While it is possible to do Rowten Pot in wet conditions, you do need to know the correct route to rig all the pitches. Rowten takes a lot of water, and there is still the significant danger of being swept off your feet at the bottom of the main shaft trying to cross the stream. I've been half way down the main shaft when a thunderstorm passed over and saw a 3ft wall of water arrive down the streamway. A very sobering experience!
 

damian

Active member
Alex said:
I distinctly remeber a rebelay on that pitch far out and down about meter on the left when facing out over the pitch.
Yeah .. but we don't do single bolt rebelays only a metre down a pitch, do we (fall factors and all that)? It's certainly intended as a deviation, as I described.
 

footleg

New member
damian said:
Yeah .. but we don't do single bolt rebelays only a metre down a pitch, do we (fall factors and all that)? It's certainly intended as a deviation, as I described.

What is the recommended minimum distance below a previous point of fixing that a single bolt rebelay is considered acceptable? I must admit this is one aspect of rigging that I have not really considered seriously enough in the past.
 
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